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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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kn0s

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Its like Luke Rowe said on Eurosport during the race '' theres just isnt anyone who can do anything to him, hes that special ive never seen anything like him''

As long as ive watched cycling i havent seen anyone like this guy either hes truly something to behold beeing able to witness him is a pleasure and like someone typed in previous pages closest thing to Merckx there properly ever been indeed.
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I get him having that reaction from seeing a great performance, but the race has been won exactly the same way the last two years, not really unique.
 
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I get him having that reaction from seeing a great performance, but the race has been won exactly the same way the last two years, not really unique.
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The difference between Remco and Pogacar is everyone talks about Remco's rolling ability but Pogacar have been putting more time in his rivals than Remco ever did. Pogacar would win with more than 2 minutes yesterday but he was cruising for a whole km.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
The difference between Remco and Pogacar is everyone talks about Remco's rolling ability but Pogacar have been putting more time in his rivals than Remco ever did. Pogacar would win with more than 2 minutes yesterday but he was cruising for a whole km.
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Yes he would do two minutes to the next best That's clear. I'm not much for comparing times between races as there are way too many variables. If you go down that route you could argue that 50% of the favorites where held up behind a crash and on and on we go. I just try to keep things in perspective. It was of course a great performance, no doubt, so was the performance of Remco. Sometimes memory can be very short when looking at it straight after or during the race.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
The difference between Remco and Pogacar is everyone talks about Remco's rolling ability but Pogacar have been putting more time in his rivals than Remco ever did. Pogacar would win with more than 2 minutes yesterday but he was cruising for a whole km.
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It’s not like it was raining like crazy last year and Remco rode safely because the Giro was coming up
 
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Berniece said:
There is always a case to be made about each race. As if we can quantify this… we can’t so there’s no reason to say one was better than the other
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And yet I'm able to say with great confidence that e.g. Vingegaard's Tour win was greater than Rogla's Giro win last year.

I also think Pogi was more dominant this year in Liège than Evenepoel was last year, and if they faced each other that the former was more likely to drop the latter than the other way around.
 
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Netserk said:
And yet I'm able to say with great confidence that e.g. Vingegaard's Tour win was greater than Rogla's Giro win last year.

I also think Pogi was more dominant this year in Liège than Evenepoel was last year, and if they faced each other that the former was more likely to drop the latter than the other way around.
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No, you're not. Dominance has got nothing to do with "greatness" .

Every cycling fan was watching the time trial in Giro because both Roglic and Thomas - even Almeida - had a chance. But specially Roglic after LPBF was in for a reversal that seemed scripted.
 
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Elos Anjos said:
No, you're not. Dominance has got nothing to do with "greatness" .

Every cycling fan was watching the time trial in Giro because both Roglic and Thomas - even Almeida - had a chance. But specially Roglic after LPBF was in for a reversal that seemed scripted.
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That's why he is talking about dominance.

Nevertheless, one Tour de France win has more greatness than a Giro d'italia, for some reason the Tour de France is the biggest and most important race of cycling.
 
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Netserk said:
And yet I'm able to say with great confidence that e.g. Vingegaard's Tour win was greater than Rogla's Giro win last year.

I also think Pogi was more dominant this year in Liège than Evenepoel was last year, and if they faced each other that the former was more likely to drop the latter than the other way around.
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That’s comparing even a different race
 
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Froome said:
That's why he is talking about dominance.

Nevertheless, one Tour de France win has more greatness than a Giro d'italia, for some reason the Tour de France is the biggest and most important race of cycling.
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To get a complete palmares, you must win every race. So I'd assume Poggi goes for P-N next year and maybe Dauphine too. Then Tour -Vuelta double. And a few selected classics.
 
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To get a complete palmares, you must win every race. So I'd assume Poggi goes for P-N next year and maybe Dauphine too. Then Tour -Vuelta double. And a few selected classics.
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Depends on what happens this year. If he gets the Giro-Tour double I even see a possible radical schedule change next year: going for all monuments (Flandres + Roubaix included) in the spring and Vuelta in the autumn.
 
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From Strava he went 10” faster than Remco on Redoute. But with the downhill and next climb combined Pogi was only 6” faster in a 9’40” effort. So pretty equal performance from the attack and the Cornemont afterwards in their winning move.

Next in line Joseph Blackmore 40” down, in his LBL win 10 days earlier.

A level above the rest in these races.
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Hard to tell for sure from just watching on a screen but I thought Pogacar’s attack looked more measured than some of his other mountain or hilltop launches?
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Depends on what happens this year. If he gets the Giro-Tour double I even see a possible radical schedule change next year: going for all monuments (Flandres + Roubaix included) in the spring and Vuelta in the autumn.
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I would be surprised if the team (or rather their sponsors) easily okays skipping the Tour. But I’m not sure how different that aspect (brand promotion) is when it’s a country sponsoring a team rather than a company?
 
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I would be surprised if the team (or rather their sponsors) easily okays skipping the Tour. But I’m not sure how different that aspect (brand promotion) is when it’s a country sponsoring a team rather than a company?
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Given Pogacar status in the team I think he has something to say and they won't oppose if he wants to skip the Tour one year (especially after completing the double and regaining the Tour title). It's still a long way to go and a lot of things can happen in the meantime. Tour is always his big goal but I can imagine him intentionally skipping it once during his prime (i.e. to have a better shot at Roubaix and Vuelta).
 
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Barkintheeye said:
No matter how hardcore fan you might be in favor of MVDP it’s hard to look past the achievements of Pog. He is definitely more versatile (on the road) than MVDP and he has beaten Mathieu at least once (RVV 2023) on his own ground. Should Pog continue to win spectacularly other classics such as MSR and PR (not too unlikely) he will clearly be the best Classics rider in this lifetime. Yet the next major showdown between these two is another divider: the next Road WC. Can Pog put that one down after having completed the Giro and the Tour? If yes then it’s something otherworldly to behold.
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Olympics first although that course is very firmly to the advantage of MVDP.
 
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Netserk said:
I detest the Pokémon meme. No, cycling is not all about "Gotta Catch 'Em All!".

I hope the best rider will race the greatest race for the win every year.
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So far he has mostly only raced the big races, stage-races and one-day races. Especially to an even bigger degree in the last season, while suffering a big injury, and this one.

I think that critique is a bit unwarranted.
 
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