Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[CyclistAbi]

What if the rider wasn't Pogi, but a lower league rider? Would that be ok?

For race organizer to give you a jersey to wear and you after being disqualified for it by UCI? Good luck with that.

 

[samhocking]

For race organizer to give you a jersey to wear and you after being disqualified for it by UCI? Good luck with that.

Technically the rules dont work like that. A car gives you a pull up the mountain, it's the rider who gets fined/dq even if not his teams car doing it, or a fan pushing them. Same legal framework as anti-doping basically. ie it's the riders responsibility.
I really hope they look at it from other podium contenders perspective. Nobody wants to win from others DQ over wrongly coloured skinsuit.

 

[Red Rick]

Isn't it confirmed it was meant as a tribute to Torino, which means it was a one off thing he probably didn't get permission for?

Makes sense to get fined for that.

 

[Rob5091]

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ju...tone-maglia-rosa-skinsuit-with-purple-shorts/
"RCS Sport and people from Castelli tried to explain to the UCI commissaires that their own rules appear to allow the two-tone coloured skin suit but the race officials preferred to wait for senior officials at the UCI and perhaps even President David Lappartient to make a final decision. "

What a palaver!

 

[CyclistAbi]

Technically the rules dont work like that. A car gives you a pull up the mountain, it's the rider who gets fined/dq even if not his teams car doing it, or a fan pushing them. Same legal framework as anti-doping basically. ie it's the riders responsibility.
I really hope they look at it from other podium contenders perspective. Nobody wants to win from others DQ over wrongly coloured skinsuit.

Not even remotely similar. On that occasion a mandatory video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E4vRtC7IcY

 

[CyclistAbi]

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ju...tone-maglia-rosa-skinsuit-with-purple-shorts/
"RCS Sport and people from Castelli tried to explain to the UCI commissaires that their own rules appear to allow the two-tone coloured skin suit but the race officials preferred to wait for senior officials at the UCI and perhaps even President David Lappartient to make a final decision. "

What a palaver!

Relax, it's like when it comes to safety. All you need to do is point a finger to some other person/organisation and it settles down after.

 

[samhocking]

Not even remotely similar. On that occasion a mandatory video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E4vRtC7IcY

I'm talking about the fact that rules apply in cycling even if it's not your fault for breaking them. Same as anti-doping. You eat something prohibited accidentally and test positive, it's almost impossible to escape a sanction, the rider is responsible. You get squeezed onto a footpath avoiding a dog but pedetrians on that footbath you will be DQ or fined even if not your fault.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I'm talking about the fact that rules apply in cycling even if it's not your fault for breaking them. Same as anti-doping. You eat something prohibited accidentally and test positive, it's almost impossible to escape a sanction, the rider is responsible. You get squeezed onto a footpath avoiding a dog but pedetrians on that footbath you will be DQ or fined even if not your fault.

Nop, this has nothing to do with doping and Pogi can't be responsible for it. At best the organiser will pay a fine if any.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Tadej Pogačar: I didn't follow Ganna's attack because I was too badly positioned

After three straight days of attacking, Slovenian has first quiet stage in Giro d'Italia lead

www.cyclingnews.com

I was wondering if the team had a talk with Pogi, or something, for him not following Pippo on stage 4. The reason was much simpler and that is he was out of position.

 

[tobydawq]

I think if he had ridden 1 or 2 kilometres with those bibs, he could stay in the race. But he kept riding with them for more than 160 ks. Should be kicked out.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Are riders allowed to ride naked?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Guys, it's time for some ESC, you know, the more serious stuff.

 

[bNator]

I'm talking about the fact that rules apply in cycling even if it's not your fault for breaking them. Same as anti-doping. You eat something prohibited accidentally and test positive, it's almost impossible to escape a sanction, the rider is responsible. You get squeezed onto a footpath avoiding a dog but pedetrians on that footbath you will be DQ or fined even if not your fault.

This is not a good analogy - because in this particular case, the outfit was provided by race organisers. It is 100% their responsibility to provide an outfit according to the rulebook and not Pogs or the teams.

It is like getting disqualified because the organisers drove illegal motorbikes. That’s the analogy here…

 

[Oldermanish]

What if the rider wasn't Pogi, but a lower league rider? Would that be ok?

Not really, if it wasn't for safety/comfort. If organizers gave any contender a pair of shorts they couldn't ride comfortably then the rider should always have the option. If the clothing wasn't adequate for bad weather, they're allowed to cover with rain jackets so what's the big deal?
Bad shorts=pain.

 

[Sciatic]

Gonna be tough for the UCI as the regulations have always been DQ or Elimination. In fact they added to the rule in January where it also comes with a 50 to 2000 fine. I'm guessing they'll only fine him given it was RCS decision to break the rules technically but done so in good faith it seems. But that would set a new precedent that race organisers could try all sorts of things for marketing purposes and simply absorb the riders fines as a cost.

Just like Nike did with the Air Jordan ( at least according to the film “Air”): Nike decided they would simply ignore the standard restrictions (on shoe color) and pay the penalty fee each time Jordan wore them in a game. The fee was minor compared to the marketing budget, and the controversy about their decision was like free advertising for the shoe. Great example of thinking outside the (shoe)box

 

[Sciatic]

Are riders allowed to ride naked?

That is a very prominent element of Seattle’s annual solstice parade

 

[Wyndbrook]

Like it or not singling out the UCI seems rather harsh.
Most sports have similar rules, I've been DQ from local cross country league for a running vest logo infringement.
Look at motor racing, even more so .

 

[samhocking]

Nop, this has nothing to do with doping and Pogi can't be responsible for it. At best the organiser will pay a fine if any.

I'm not saying it does. The rules are based on the same legal framework and how sports law and the rules that determine it get applied. Strict liability, look it up.
What does happen though is UCI, race comms and the jury have discretion on applying their own rules or not ie they don't have to, even though they're written down. We see that balance all the time and think that will happen here with a fine only which was brought in in Januarys rules.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He was safe again for the second day. Tomorrow is the last stage where massive crashes are more frequents. Wish him the best!! Go Go Pogi!

 

[PeterB]

If the rules say: “The wearer of the leader's jersey shall be entitled to match the colour of his shorts to that of the jersey,”, it leaves a lot open to interpretation, in my understanding. Is the "matching" colour strictly the same as the jersey? Or is any colour which "matches", i.e.fits, with the jersey allowed?

Based on Cambridge dictionary, both interpretations are possible:

If two colours ... match, they are similar or look attractive together:

 

[Lequack]

You can't fool Italians with a dictionary. They invented fashion.

 

[Axel Hangleck]

Organisers shouldn't be providing a classification kit....it's an outdated system - what other sport would this happen? Absolute nonsense......

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Organisers shouldn't be providing a classification kit....it's an outdated system - what other sport would this happen? Absolute nonsense......

In what other sport is it as hard to identify the race leader?

 

[bNator]

Organisers shouldn't be providing a classification kit....it's an outdated system - what other sport would this happen? Absolute nonsense......

Alpine skiing and - you guessed it - ski jumping 😉 well, starting numbers have different background colour at least…

 

[CyclistAbi]

I'm not saying it does. The rules are based on the same legal framework and how sports law and the rules that determine it get applied. Strict liability, look it up.
What does happen though is UCI, race comms and the jury have discretion on applying their own rules or not ie they don't have to, even though they're written down. We see that balance all the time and think that will happen here with a fine only which was brought in in Januarys rules.

No. UCI can't fine Pogi in this case and if by any chance they would try to, then Pogi can still take them to CAS and win.