Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[scribers]

Pog announced his schedule before everyone else. Not his fault they all opted out of the giro.

Or maybe he’s so much better than everyone that there is nothing but a weak field

 

[zekance]

But Pog wasn't at top form for the Giro - it was a very weak field and he measured his efforts such as the TT. Seems clear to me that UAE have planned this very carefully.

I agree. When I talked to one of the mechanics on the team he even said Pogi was only going at 85% at the Giro and that he wasn't tired at all in the end. He also said I should brace myself for what is coming in the Tour.

I always take these kind of comments with a grain of salt that's why I wasn't even sure if I should post anything at all.

 

[yaf]

U still believe merckx would win san remo 7 times with vanderpoel and philipsen riding in the same team, lol... such a scenario where top athletes who are paid regularly and specialized on certain characterstics riding in the same team is called professionalism and specialization of the sport! So we cant bring some achievers from the past and name them the goat for just winning against 5 riders.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I agree. When I talked to one of the mechanics on the team he even said Pogi was only going at 85% at the Giro and that he wasn't tired at all in the end. He also said I should brace myself for what is coming in the Tour.

I always take these kind of comments with a grain of salt that's why I wasn't even sure if I should post anything at all.

San Luca will give us a good indicator of Pogacar's level. Galibier will tell us if he can win the Tour. In fact I think Pogacar will crush his rivals and gain more than a minute on Galibier.

 

[Cookster15]

I agree. When I talked to one of the mechanics on the team he even said Pogi was only going at 85% at the Giro and that he wasn't tired at all in the end. He also said I should brace myself for what is coming in the Tour.

I always take these kind of comments with a grain of salt that's why I wasn't even sure if I should post anything at all.

The stage 7 ITT sticks in my mind. Pog was well behind Ganna at all the intermediate time checks and even in this forum posters were writing him off. Then he demolished the climb and poor Ganna watched his stage win evaporate in 7km. That short display told me Pogacar had two more gears to use if necessary. Likewise when he won on Prati di Tivo in a sprint the following day after just pacing the GC group.

For the Tour I also think we learn a lot after stage 4 over the Galibier. Not just on Pogacar but what is Vingegaard's true level.

 

[scribers]

I agree. When I talked to one of the mechanics on the team he even said Pogi was only going at 85% at the Giro and that he wasn't tired at all in the end. He also said I should brace myself for what is coming in the Tour.

I always take these kind of comments with a grain of salt that's why I wasn't even sure if I should post anything at all.

If he has some in the bank for the tour they should think long and hard about riding the vuelta

This is what mou was telling us too. I’m sure we are in for something spectacular

 

[yaf]

I agree. When I talked to one of the mechanics on the team he even said Pogi was only going at 85% at the Giro and that he wasn't tired at all in the end. He also said I should brace myself for what is coming in the Tour.

I always take these kind of comments with a grain of salt that's why I wasn't even sure if I should post anything at all.

After i saw the developments of some riders who work with sola for just 6 months, like almeida who was known for yoyoing at the back whenever the road goes up and cant keep up on high kilojoule days, eventually starts to dominate mountain finishes, now i'm fully convinced the myth "vingegaard is the best on multiple hard mountain days" was a statement which shows ving's luck of working under visma coaches and not his genetic prowess.
The crazy thing that always impresses me about pog who i think is the most genetically gifted rider of his generation is he is so talented that he improved even working with a bad coach. I'm saying a bad coach in that they cant utilize ur full potential but u just perform as u were performing before.
Riders like ayuso,mcnulty,bjerg,deltoro,morgado should demand for sola next year. this guys were dominating their youth competitions. If they get sola i dont think any other team wins a stage race or a classic on the calender

 

[Red Rick]

Pog announced his schedule before everyone else. Not his fault they all opted out of the giro.

Or maybe he’s so much better than everyone that there is nothing but a weak field

It's like the Halle tennis tournament. Federer got all the appearance fees, so Queens would always get the much deeper field.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Stop pissing on San Millan. Riders like Yates, Pogacar and Almeida were world class riders under his training. Maybe Sola can be better at maximizing these riders potential but Let's not pretend San Millan has the knowledge of a random CN user.
We have to wait to see If Pogacar, Yates and Almeida are really better compared to previous years. I don't have a single doubt that Pogacar under San Millan's training would still win the Giro by 10 minutes and Yates would still win Suisse easily (Yates was second last year in Dauphiné only behind Jonas f##king Vingegaard. He was clearly the best of the rest).

 

[dazaau]

but Let's not pretend San Millan has the knowledge of a random CN (forum?) user.

He and UAE should be so lucky!

 

[James M]

Stage 2 will be very interesting. I'm pretty sure Roglic is the only one who can follow Pogi in San Luca and Pogi knows that too IMHO. Can they cooperate and gain 30 seconds on everyone? I hope so

Yes believe so too. Do you think theres any chance UAE does or try pull hard on stage 1? It doesnt seem to be to hard.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Stage 2 will be very interesting. I'm pretty sure Roglic is the only one who can follow Pogi in San Luca and Pogi knows that too IMHO. Can they cooperate and gain 30 seconds on everyone? I hope so

Absolutely, why not? It's not Vingo vs Pog situation, when there's no cooperation.

 

[James M]

Presumably the last day at altitude today this week of altitude is properly the most important training. 6 days to the tour cant wait

 

[Berniece]

Absolutely, why not? It's not Vingo vs Pog situation, when there's no cooperation.

Good thing Roglic is known to be great at cooperation

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Good thing Roglic is known to be great at cooperation

By distancing Vingo they both gain a lot. It's not that Roglic will be ahead in the GC prefering to suck the wheel.

 

[yaf]

Stop pissing on San Millan. Riders like Yates, Pogacar and Almeida were world class riders under his training. Maybe Sola can be better at maximizing these riders potential but Let's not pretend San Millan has the knowledge of a random CN user.
We have to wait to see If Pogacar, Yates and Almeida are really better compared to previous years. I don't have a single doubt that Pogacar under San Millan's training would still win the Giro by 10 minutes and Yates would still win Suisse easily (Yates was second last year in Dauphiné only behind Jonas f##king Vingegaard. He was clearly the best of the rest).

🤣
Bro, u know nothing about progress or improvement. Improving is, from being only a time trial specialist to becoming one of the best climbers in the world in 3 years(Roglic from 2016-2019), improvement is jumping in performance from finishing 67th on tour de l avenir 2018 where pog won and finishing 72nd on tour de romandie in 2019 to in three years becoming one of the best stage race riders in the world(vingegaard). and visma coaches deserve a lot of credit for that.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes believe so too. Do you think theres any chance UAE does or try pull hard on stage 1? It doesnt seem to be to hard.

Don't believe they will do anything, specially after seeing stage 2. The last climb in stage 1 is not hard and a little bit too far from the finish.

 

[James M]

Don't believe they will do anything, specially after seeing stage 2. The last climb in stage 1 is not hard and a little bit too far from the finish.

Yes I fear the last climb is to easy for it beeing worth bothering. Judging from how Pogacar rode the Giro if that climb was any closer to the finish he seems to jump on everything these days.

So you think its better chance at stage 2, its punchy more like stage 1 of the giro this year?

 

[Berniece]

By distancing Vingo they both gain a lot. It's not that Roglic will be ahead in the GC prefering to suck the wheel.

Maybe he wins the sprint in the first stage

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Maybe he wins the sprint in the first stage

So are you assuming Rogla won't cooperate cause he has a few seconds of advantage to defend with 20 stages to go?

 

[Berniece]

So are you assuming Rogla won't cooperate cause he has a few seconds of advantage to defend with 20 stages to go?

I’ve seen him do this in 1-week stage races

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I’ve seen him do this in 1-week stage races

In the last stage of Catalunya, maybe. This time it will be like this:

Pogi: "We drop him, we kill him"
Rogla: "Why not, eh?"

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes I fear the last climb is to easy for it beeing worth bothering. Judging from how Pogacar rode the Giro if that climb was any closer to the finish he seems to jump on everything these days.

So you think its better chance at stage 2, its punchy more like stage 1 of the giro this year?

Completely, UAE can rip the peloton in pieces before San Luca. Then just unleash Yates for 2 minutes before Pogacar's attack. Can't see anyone surviving to Yates (bar Roglic).

 

[Berniece]

In the last stage of Catalunya, maybe. This time it will be like this:

Pogi: "We drop him, we kill him"
Rogla: "Why not, eh?"

In the second stage because he won the sprint in the first stage

 

[CyclistAbi]

Completely, UAE can rip the peloton in pieces before San Luca. Then just unleash Yates for 2 minutes before Pogacar's attack. Can't see anyone surviving to Yates (bar Roglic).

Likely Vlasov.