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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Well we had Froom and Dumoulin try in 2018 with no luck.

Here you can see how many days were between the two GTs when the double was successful:

Fausto Coppi 1949 - 18 days
Fausto Coppi 1952 - 17 days
Jacques Anquetil 1964 - 15 days
Eddy Merckx 1970 - 16 days
Eddy Merckx 1972 - 21 days
Bernard Hinault 1982 - 26 days
Bernard Hinault 1985 - 19 days
Miguel Indurain 1992 - 20 days
Miguel Indurain 1993 - 20 days
Marco Pantani 1998 - 34 days
???Tadej Pogačar 2024 - 34 days???

If history teaches as anything is that when there is more than 3 weeks inbetween Giro and TDF is very hard to win the double. Even if there are 6 weeks inbetween the two that is not enough time for you to rest and than reach your top form again so what you need to do is hold your top form from Giro to the end of TDF.

I'd say it is easier to hold your peak form for 8-9 weeks than it is for 10+.
I would say there's not enough data to make a conclusion.
And you don't account for the progress in nutrition, recovery, training since the 90s.
 
I would say there's not enough data to make a conclusion.
And you don't account for the progress in nutrition, recovery, training since the 90s.
You could be right and yet we are still waiting for someone to win the Giro/Tour double since the 90s. After WW2 when cycling went global we never had to wait for more than 12 years for someone to win the Giro/Tour double.

After Vuelta got moved in 1995 from April/May to August/September the gap between Giro and Tour expended. Since then only Pantani was able to do it and that was 26 years ago.
 
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Merckx did the Vuelta/Giro double with a five day gap, not sure what that says other than to demonstrate what a great rider he was.
And how relatively hard it was for his competition. I don't know what effort went into his Giro but he was characteristically unyielding. The Tour he must have managed in some way to highlight his best opportunities but I don't know anything about those races.
Someone more responsive on race stats could shed light on his gains/losses doing that combo.
 
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Well we had Froom and Dumoulin try in 2018 with no luck.

Here you can see how many days were between the two GTs when the double was successful:

Fausto Coppi 1949 - 18 days
Fausto Coppi 1952 - 17 days
Jacques Anquetil 1964 - 15 days
Eddy Merckx 1970 - 16 days
Eddy Merckx 1972 - 21 days
Bernard Hinault 1982 - 26 days
Bernard Hinault 1985 - 19 days
Miguel Indurain 1992 - 20 days
Miguel Indurain 1993 - 20 days
Marco Pantani 1998 - 34 days
???Tadej Pogačar 2024 - 34 days???

If history teaches as anything is that when there is more than 3 weeks inbetween Giro and TDF is very hard to win the double. Even if there are 6 weeks inbetween the two that is not enough time for you to rest and than reach your top form again so what you need to do is hold your top form from Giro to the end of TDF.

I'd say it is easier to hold your peak form for 8-9 weeks than it is for 10+.
But Pog wasn't at top form for the Giro - it was a very weak field and he measured his efforts such as the TT. Seems clear to me that UAE have planned this very carefully.
 
But Pog wasn't at top form for the Giro - it was a very weak field and he measured his efforts such as the TT. Seems clear to me that UAE have planned this very carefully.
I agree. When I talked to one of the mechanics on the team he even said Pogi was only going at 85% at the Giro and that he wasn't tired at all in the end. He also said I should brace myself for what is coming in the Tour.

I always take these kind of comments with a grain of salt that's why I wasn't even sure if I should post anything at all.
 
U still believe merckx would win san remo 7 times with vanderpoel and philipsen riding in the same team, lol... such a scenario where top athletes who are paid regularly and specialized on certain characterstics riding in the same team is called professionalism and specialization of the sport! So we cant bring some achievers from the past and name them the goat for just winning against 5 riders.
 
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I agree. When I talked to one of the mechanics on the team he even said Pogi was only going at 85% at the Giro and that he wasn't tired at all in the end. He also said I should brace myself for what is coming in the Tour.

I always take these kind of comments with a grain of salt that's why I wasn't even sure if I should post anything at all.
San Luca will give us a good indicator of Pogacar's level. Galibier will tell us if he can win the Tour. In fact I think Pogacar will crush his rivals and gain more than a minute on Galibier.
 
I agree. When I talked to one of the mechanics on the team he even said Pogi was only going at 85% at the Giro and that he wasn't tired at all in the end. He also said I should brace myself for what is coming in the Tour.

I always take these kind of comments with a grain of salt that's why I wasn't even sure if I should post anything at all.
The stage 7 ITT sticks in my mind. Pog was well behind Ganna at all the intermediate time checks and even in this forum posters were writing him off. Then he demolished the climb and poor Ganna watched his stage win evaporate in 7km. That short display told me Pogacar had two more gears to use if necessary. Likewise when he won on Prati di Tivo in a sprint the following day after just pacing the GC group.

For the Tour I also think we learn a lot after stage 4 over the Galibier. Not just on Pogacar but what is Vingegaard's true level.
 
I agree. When I talked to one of the mechanics on the team he even said Pogi was only going at 85% at the Giro and that he wasn't tired at all in the end. He also said I should brace myself for what is coming in the Tour.

I always take these kind of comments with a grain of salt that's why I wasn't even sure if I should post anything at all.
If he has some in the bank for the tour they should think long and hard about riding the vuelta

This is what mou was telling us too. I’m sure we are in for something spectacular
 
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I agree. When I talked to one of the mechanics on the team he even said Pogi was only going at 85% at the Giro and that he wasn't tired at all in the end. He also said I should brace myself for what is coming in the Tour.

I always take these kind of comments with a grain of salt that's why I wasn't even sure if I should post anything at all.
After i saw the developments of some riders who work with sola for just 6 months, like almeida who was known for yoyoing at the back whenever the road goes up and cant keep up on high kilojoule days, eventually starts to dominate mountain finishes, now i'm fully convinced the myth "vingegaard is the best on multiple hard mountain days" was a statement which shows ving's luck of working under visma coaches and not his genetic prowess.
The crazy thing that always impresses me about pog who i think is the most genetically gifted rider of his generation is he is so talented that he improved even working with a bad coach. I'm saying a bad coach in that they cant utilize ur full potential but u just perform as u were performing before.
Riders like ayuso,mcnulty,bjerg,deltoro,morgado should demand for sola next year. this guys were dominating their youth competitions. If they get sola i dont think any other team wins a stage race or a classic on the calender
 
Stop pissing on San Millan. Riders like Yates, Pogacar and Almeida were world class riders under his training. Maybe Sola can be better at maximizing these riders potential but Let's not pretend San Millan has the knowledge of a random CN user.
We have to wait to see If Pogacar, Yates and Almeida are really better compared to previous years. I don't have a single doubt that Pogacar under San Millan's training would still win the Giro by 10 minutes and Yates would still win Suisse easily (Yates was second last year in Dauphiné only behind Jonas f##king Vingegaard. He was clearly the best of the rest).
 
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Stop pissing on San Millan. Riders like Yates, Pogacar and Almeida were world class riders under his training. Maybe Sola can be better at maximizing these riders potential but Let's not pretend San Millan has the knowledge of a random CN user.
We have to wait to see If Pogacar, Yates and Almeida are really better compared to previous years. I don't have a single doubt that Pogacar under San Millan's training would still win the Giro by 10 minutes and Yates would still win Suisse easily (Yates was second last year in Dauphiné only behind Jonas f##king Vingegaard. He was clearly the best of the rest).
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Bro, u know nothing about progress or improvement. Improving is, from being only a time trial specialist to becoming one of the best climbers in the world in 3 years(Roglic from 2016-2019), improvement is jumping in performance from finishing 67th on tour de l avenir 2018 where pog won and finishing 72nd on tour de romandie in 2019 to in three years becoming one of the best stage race riders in the world(vingegaard). and visma coaches deserve a lot of credit for that.