Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Nick2413]

I can see Pogi with a 2 minutes advantage after 4 stages. Stage 2 and stage 4 are perfect for him.

There should be several guys capable of staying within 30 seconds on both stages, but I suppose nothing would be a surprise with him.

 

[scribers]

I personally think both of those stages would require an extraordinary effort to build even a minute advantage. Better to wait a bit later

 

[velaso montador]

I can see Pogi with a 2 minutes advantage after 4 stages. Stage 2 and stage 4 are perfect for him.

Curious how is stage 4 perfect to him relative to others with that light gradients? And the downhill.

Would assume its better suited for Evenpoel, Roglic and others than him. Ofc every terrain suits him somewhat but relative to others I would think Galibier suits the likes of Evenpoel more than him not that it dont suit him but yeah.

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Stage 4 is incredibly overhyped. The whole stage has like 5km of climbing above 7%, if we'll see big gaps here it would be quite a revelation of how bad teams are outside of UAE.
I mean, we basically have 50km of almost false flat towards Sestriere, a nothing climb in Montgenevre (which funnily has the hardest 5km percentage wise of the stage) and then the soft side of Galibier which never goes above 6,5% except for 3 times. The only way I see bigger things happening here is if you somehow manage to drop all domestiques before crossing 2000m on Galibier.

 

[AmRacer]

Stage 4 is incredibly overhyped. The whole stage has like 5km of climbing above 7%, if we'll see big gaps here it would be quite a revelation of how bad teams are outside of UAE.
I mean, we basically have 50km of almost false flat towards Sestriere, a nothing climb in Montgenevre (which funnily has the hardest 5km percentage wise of the stage) and then the soft side of Galibier which never goes above 6,5% except for 3 times. The only way I see bigger things happening here is if you somehow manage to drop all domestiques before crossing 2000m on Galibier.

Or getting dropped by other teams domestiques.

 

[Lequack]

Having fun

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[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Or getting dropped by other teams domestiques.

Well yes, by "you" I meant UAE managing to put such a high pace with Almeida etc. to drop the likes of Jorgenson, Hindley and so on.

 

[yaf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1805876642612461866

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I think we might need to reconsider our thoughts on mous' claim of 8.3w/kg for 12 minutes 😄🤔

 

[AmRacer]

Well yes, by "you" I meant UAE managing to put such a high pace with Almeida etc. to drop the likes of Jorgenson, Hindley and so on.

I think some domestiques can drop GC contenders too.

 

[Froome]

I think some domestiques can drop GC contenders too.

Yes, just look at La loze last year when Castroviejo dropped Pogacar.

 

[AmRacer]

Yes, just look at La loze last year when Castroviejo dropped Pogacar.

Your train dropped a bunch of your competitors.

 

[Jack_89]

There should be several guys capable of staying within 30 seconds on both stages, but I suppose nothing would be a surprise with him.

two minutes seems too long to me... but 30s is a even worse assumption. I would like to see those "several"...

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

I think some domestiques can drop GC contenders too.

Yes they can, is it likely on 5% climbs with expected headwind? Not that likely, hence my point of the stage being overrated just because the name Galibier and stage 4 gets people excited.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Curious how is stage 4 perfect to him relative to others with that light gradients? And the downhill.

Would assume its better suited for Evenpoel, Roglic and others than him. Ofc every terrain suits him somewhat but relative to others I would think Galibier suits the likes of Evenpoel more than him not that it dont suit him but yeah.

It is a very long climb at altitude and more important, first real test in the Tour! Some legs will be undercooked so UAE will rip this stage apart. No doubt we will have big gaps.

 

[Peyroteo94]

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I think we might need to reconsider our thoughts on mous' claim of 8.3w/kg for 12 minutes 😄🤔

I am trying to find a reason for him to be bluffing (but can't find one), if he isn't... oh dear, this Tour is over.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Obviously, Madiot would have never made such a projection had GC Kuss been able to ride the Tour. Sadly, all of cycling has been robbed this July, and we must all wait for another glorious Sepptember.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar is a monster in shallow gradients due to his otherwordly engine. If he goes away in Galibier, he will gain a minute at least in 3 or 4 km

 

[Froome]

It is a very long climb at altitude and more important, first real test in the Tour! Some legs will be undercooked so UAE will rip this stage apart. No doubt we will have big gaps.

You are gonna be disappointed if you think there will be big gaps in the first 13 stages.

 

[snipeheem]

Pogacar is a monster in shallow gradients due to his otherwordly engine. If he goes away in Galibier, he will gain a minute at least in 3 or 4 km

Thermobomb is coming on Galibier

 

[Jack_89]

It is a very long climb at altitude and more important, first real test in the Tour! Some legs will be undercooked so UAE will rip this stage apart. No doubt we will have big gaps.

Agreed. If UAE wants to attack, they'll start to speed up on Montgenevre and launch Pogacar just passed the Lautaret with the likes of Almeida and Yates

 

[Berniece]

Pogacar is a monster in shallow gradients due to his otherwordly engine. If he goes away in Galibier, he will gain a minute at least in 3 or 4 km

A minute on Thomas

 

[Nick2413]

It is a very long climb at altitude and more important, first real test in the Tour! Some legs will be undercooked so UAE will rip this stage apart. No doubt we will have big gaps.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this is one of the weaker mountain stages for Pogacar, I do expect him to take time but some of the later stages should suit him more.

 

[Extinction]

The competition is way higher at the Tour than the Giro, although in Pog's favor for causing major damage early are the question marks over the condition of his principal rivals. Yet if they are very good, Pog isn't just riding away from them at will like in the Giro.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The competition is way higher at the Tour than the Giro, although in Pog's favor for causing major damage early are the question marks over the condition of his principle rivals. Yet if they are very good, Pog isn't just riding away from them at will like in the Giro.

Both Vingegaard and Pogacar were toying and gaining 2 minutes in long mountains last year to everyone (Yates, Hindley, etc). Don't see who is better than Yates at the moment bar Vingegaard and Pogacar.

 

[Extinction]

Both Vingegaard and Pogacar were toying and gaining 2 minutes in long mountains last year to everyone (Yates, Hindley, etc). Don't see who is better than Yates at the moment bar Vingegaard and Pogacar.

We don't know Vingo's condition, nor Roglic's, who could be super after the last fine tuning following the Dauphine (I decline to speculate upon Evenepoel, because he needed to grow considerably after the Dauphine and there is no past data on him at the Tour to go on). At any rate, if his principal rivals are very good, then I don't think Pog's just riding away from them like he did at the Giro in the first week. Although in theory the ballance of power should be greatest in Pog's favor during the first week of the Tour, because he has the Giro in the legs. On the other hand, if his rivals are bad then Madiot could be right.