Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[James M]

U are give me a hope brother haha i hope u right

Long climbs is just magical or coping mechanism thinking when he simply has more watts, galibier was pretty long and he broke everyone in the headwind and thats a long climb I believe.

Nothing to be worried for. If he tried to gap him and didnt manage which he did with ease and opened it up alot and thats was the reason thats something to worrie about and not that he ran low on fuel that shouldnt happen again

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...ej-pogacars-fuelling-mishap-at-tour-de-france

 

[BubbaChuck]

vinge really fooked up pogs career,lol.without dane,pog could be heavier,win every classics and take gts with ease.now he needs to shred weight as much as possible,say goodbye to classics,if he wants to win another tour.

 

[Froome]

Long climbs is just magical or coping mechanism thinking when he simply has more watts, galibier was pretty long and he broke everyone in the headwind and thats a long climb I believe.

Nothing to be worried for. If he tried to gap him and didnt manage which he did with ease and opened it up alot and thats was the reason thats something to worrie about and not that he ran low on fuel that shouldnt happen again

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...ej-pogacars-fuelling-mishap-at-tour-de-france

No, he doesn't have. You are just trying convince yourself of that.

Historically, in the last 3 years until today, the best perfomances of Vingegaard in long climbs are better than the perfomances of Pogacar in long climbs. Stop living in a bubble, thinking there isn't a world out there outside of Pogacar.

 

[BubbaChuck]

guy is 57 kilo and pushing simillar wats,while having limitless endurance.medical marvel,there is no doubt.pog needs to go super super skinny.

 

[James M]

No, he doesn't have. You are just trying convince yourself of that.

Historically, in the last 3 years until today, the best perfomances of Vingegaard in long climbs are better than the perfomances of Pogacar in long climbs. Stop living in a bubble, thinking there isn't a world out there outside of Pogacar.

It wasnt even a long climb pertus? he ran low on fuels like what are we talking about. If he outclimbed him on galibier I would even be down to discuss it but

Ive yet to see anyone stick to his wheel especially on the longest climb of the tour so far just saying so not sure what we are talking about. Im not trying to convice myself on anything I said he ran low on fuel and wouldnt worrie about that, it shouldnt happen again that was all and I would be more worried if he didnt ride away with ease and just increase the gap. And not of him running low on fuel again. Pretty sure that is what happened on the road.

The fuel part is ofc no-one else but his and the team fault but saying vingegaard did better on long climbs is telling yourself things you wanne hear cause he closed the gap on a 4.5km climb cause he visibly and vocally was low on fuel. Not the other way around lets see if he can actually stick to his wheel first then im down to talk about that. Agree to disagree.

 

[Peyroteo94]

In 2/3 days we will see who is better, Pogacar or Vingegaard.

 

[James M]

Stop living in a bubble, thinking there isn't a world out there outside of Pogacar.

But is it really in cycling ? Im pretty sure cycling is kinda dead without him. I might be a youngling but thats my two cents on it.

Your long climb theory lets see it on Saturday. Should be a good stage for that no? Im not afraid to admit when im in the wrong.

 

[Medvind]

Long climbs is just magical or coping mechanism thinking when he simply has more watts, galibier was pretty long and he broke everyone in the headwind and thats a long climb I believe.

Nothing to be worried for. If he tried to gap him and didnt manage which he did with ease and opened it up alot and thats was the reason thats something to worrie about and not that he ran low on fuel that shouldnt happen again

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...ej-pogacars-fuelling-mishap-at-tour-de-france

For years it has been consensus among most that Vinge has a slight edge over Pog on mountain stages with long climbs, partly due to his lower weight. More watts? Hope that is a typo, it's watts per kilo that matters in the high mountains and Vinge can push some incredible numbers, Pog also of course. It's also common knowledge that Vinge's recovery is extraordinary, which matters quite a bit with multiple brutal stages in the last week. Pog's recovery is also great, but he has showed moments of weakness last two years in the tour.

Maybe Pog has improved on longer climbs and can really challenge Vinge. I'm not so certain, but we will see.
But I don't think you can draw that conclusion based on the Galibier stage where Pog attacked with 800 m to go. We know Pog has a better punch than Vinge, and it was his punch he used to distance Vinge, doesn't prove that he, man on man, can ride faster than Vinge up a 15k climb.

 

[James M]

moments of weakness last two years in the tour.

Thats were you lose me cause its like saying broken wrist doest matter you feel me?

Anyway its all fine and dine I just gave my two cents on what I think will happen and if Vingegaard wins great for him and you if you like him thats just fair play. He then equals Pogacar in 3 GT and impressive but I would ofcourse weight in the Giro as a reason and how can I not? just the world we live in. Anyway if that was the case to happen 3 GT that great for him fair play same GT as Pog at the end of the day then.
As far as best overall rider I wouldnt put Vingegaard close to Remco even and not even in the same stratosphere as Pogacar if anyone thinks that thats just cope ngl

 

[James M]

We know Pog has a better punch than Vinge, and it was his punch he used to distance Vinge, doesn't prove that he, man on man, can ride faster than Vinge up a 15k climb.

Your right lets see you know I believe noone can stand on his wheel for more than 600meter without blowing up and the fuel part cant happen again and wont but shouldnt be neglected as a factor was my point.

And saying I would be more worried if I was pogacar if I wasnt able to ride away with ease and open it up and struggle and that was the reason, and not the fuel part which vocally been said that was basicly all and I feel thats logical.

If Vingegaard does it this weekend with stages which are great for that gratz to him you wont hear me saying anything else then Regarding the long climbs now. Lets just see yeah will be epic.

 

[Medvind]

Thats were you lose me cause its like saying broken wrist doest matter you feel me?

Anyway its all fine and dine I just gave my two cents on what I think will happen and if Vingegaard wins great for him and you if you like him thats just fair play. He then equals Pogacar in 3 GT and impressive but I would ofcourse weight in the Giro as a reason and how can I not? just the world we live in not. Anyway if that was the case to happen 3 GT tahst great for him fair play same GT as Pog at the end of the day.
As far as best overall rider I wouldnt put Vingegaard close to Remco even and not even in the same stratosphere as Pogacar if anyone thinks that thats just cope ngl

How much the wristinjury effected his build up is hard to say. The year before he showed weakness on Hautacam.
But, If he rode a bit more conservatively he might be just fine in the 3rd week, but that's not really Pog is it?

Pog has the Giro in his legs and Vinge has 6 weeks of prep after a nasty crash...

Why are you talkning about Remco and Pogacar being better (overall) riders than Vinge? No one is disputing that.
When it comes to best GC rider on the other hand...

No real point in discussing this more, let us just watch how it plays out in the mountains.

 

[James M]

How much the wristinjury effected his build up is hard to say. The year before he showed weakness on Hautacam.
But, If he rode a bit more conservatively he might be just fine in the 3rd week, but that's not really Pog is it?

Pog has the Giro in his legs and Vinge has 6 weeks of prep after a nasty crash...

we agree there buddy no point of talking about that cause I feel thats the kinda discussion that can go on forever with no facts around it besides I completely agree with what you say.

Regarding the mountains indeed again lets see and let me tell you i will be the first to tell you I was wrong if it is the case its no problem. I just feel saying he is better in the long mountains cause he closed a gap on a 4.5km when he hasnt even been able to follow once and cause of fuel issues caught up is a bit hasty feel me?

Might very well turn out that way but lets just see the mountains how it play out

 

[kn0s]

Your right lets see you know I believe noone can stand on his wheel for more than 600meter without blowing up and the fuel part cant happen again and wont but shouldnt be neglected as a factor was my point.

And saying I would be more worried if I was pogacar if I wasnt able to ride away with ease and open it up and struggle and that was the reason, and not the fuel part which vocally been said that was basicly all and I feel thats logical.

If Vingegaard does it this weekend with stages which are great for that gratz to him you wont hear me saying anything else then Regarding the long climbs now. Lets just see yeah will be epic.

I get that this year is hard to predict, but it's hard for people to have a reasonable discussion with you when it seems like you have great big holes in your cycling knowledge/viewing experience. I asked you before if you even have watched the last 3 tours, it doesn't seem like it and viewing your posts in that light, they make a little more sense.

I mean no disrespect, but it's like you are dismissing everything before Pogi's broken wrist. There is alot more history there.

 

[Froome]

we agree there buddy no point of talking about that cause I feel thats the kinda discussion that can go on forever with no facts around it besides I completely agree with what you say.

Regarding the mountains indeed again lets see and let me tell you i will be the first to tell you I was wrong if it is the case its no problem. I just feel saying he is better in the long mountains cause he closed a gap on a 4.5km when he hasnt even been able to follow once and cause of fuel issues caught up is a bit hasty feel me?

Might very well turn out that way but lets just see the mountains how it play out Epic either way and thats respect to them both

Just like you can't say Pogacar is better in long climbs because of the fact he won 8 s in a sprint of 800 meters on Galibier, after Vingegaard coming from injuries.

Besides that, Galibier wasn't even a long climb. For me, long climbs, are climbs >30 minutes, unless you count before lautaret. Galibier is also not steep by that side.

The only thing until now we can rely on, is the performances of both in the last years on long climbs, and then you have the answer.

If Pogacar on Plateau de beille suddendly drops everybody, and does 6.2/ 6.3 w/kg in >40 min after a hard stage, then things can change.

 

[snipeheem]

Just like you can't say Pogacar is better in long climbs because of the fact he won 8 s in a sprint of 800 meters on Galibier, after Vingegaard coming from injuries.

Besides that, Galibier wasn't even a long climb. For me, long climbs, are climbs >30 minutes, unless you count before lautaret. Galibier is also not steep by that side.

The only thing until now we can rely on, is the performances of both in the last years on long climbs, and then you have the answer.

If Pogacar on Plateau de beille suddendly drops everybody, and does 6.2/ 6.3 w/kg in >40 min after a hard stage, then things can change.

If he does 6.3w/kg he will break the record on Plateau de beille i am afraid jonas have better chance to do that

 

[Red Rick]

Vingegaard is underrated on 10-12 mintue climbs because he doesn't have that sub 1 minute max of Pogacar.

 

[James M]

Just like you can't say Pogacar is better in long climbs because of the fact he won 8 s in a sprint of 800 meters on Galibier,

Your right there agreed but he kinda blew him up in that span alone trying to follow the pace.
Lets just see honestly speaking I dont think anyone knows 100% how it will go down this weekend or next with Pogacar unkonwns from the Giro and Vingegaard unknowns from the injury.

We might look at it differently and thats okei I respect it I get your reasoning.

But you get me when I see it from this view ''I havent seen anyone stick to his wheel even and that I would be more worried if I was Pogacar if I wasnt able to ride away with ease and open up the gap easy if that didnt happen AND he struggled on the stage I would be more worried you get me? and not the fuel part and he got empty and waited up which vocally been said that was basicly all and I feel thats logical aswell feel me? Different views is okei and I respect yours.

Im 100% sure both you and @kn0s know more about cycling history than me and maybe I will learn something from you both which is not that bad after all if thats the worst part that can happen thats even good, I have no problem admitting when im wrong. I just think he gonne ride away again when the fuel part is not there and if im mistaken then your right and thats okei bro. I just base my view here very easy on what my eyes have told me nothing else.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Just like you can't say Pogacar is better in long climbs because of the fact he won 8 s in a sprint of 800 meters on Galibier, after Vingegaard coming from injuries.

Besides that, Galibier wasn't even a long climb. For me, long climbs, are climbs >30 minutes, unless you count before lautaret. Galibier is also not steep by that side.

The only thing until now we can rely on, is the performances of both in the last years on long climbs, and then you have the answer.

If Pogacar on Plateau de beille suddendly drops everybody, and does 6.2/ 6.3 w/kg in >40 min after a hard stage, then things can change.

He will drop Vingegaard doing 6.3 w/kg. Pantani's record is 43:20 and 6.2 w/kg. You are asking him to do give an utopic and unrealistic performance specially after 3500m of elevation and almost 5 hours on the saddle.

 

[hfgon1]

guy is 57 kilo and pushing simillar wats,while having limitless endurance.medical marvel,there is no doubt.pog needs to go super super skinny.

Have I missed something? Thought Pogacar has a 74 second lead over Vingegaard right now.

 

[jono]

Lots of reports of illness (ie: covid) rampaging through the peloton. Tadej perhaps lucky that he had his bout before the start of the Tour?

 

[Medvind]

Have I missed something? Thought Pogacar has a 74 second lead over Vingegaard right now.

People fear Vinge will do another otherworldy tt on the last stage.

 

[scribers]

People fear Vinge will do another otherworldy tt on the last stage.

Wiggo and Armstrong both agree it has to be within 20-30 seconds for Vingo to stand a chance of a last stage win.

 

[scribers]

guy is 57 kilo and pushing simillar wats,while having limitless endurance.medical marvel,there is no doubt.pog needs to go super super skinny.

Bubbo-bro! Let the man eat and ride hard!! BBQ4ever!!

 

[scribers]

Damn @BubbaChuck bro, you have two first names in your username. I wish I had done this!

 

[snipeheem]

Damn @BubbaChuck bro, you have two first names in your username. I wish I had done this!

Thats Allen Iverson nickname , all his friends calls him bubbachuck