Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[jmdirt]

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triple crown is giro-tour-WC

 

[happytramp]

nope
Triple crown is all three GTs in succession.

EDIT: just think about it, how silly would it that the triple crown would be 2 GTs and a one day race?

As everyone else has said... It's the two GTs and the WC. The reason being that until relatively recently the Giro and vuelta used to overlap so couldn't both be done in the same year.

 

[jmdirt]

Triple crown is Giro, Tour, Worlds same year.

Triple Crown of Cycling - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I confused myself because were were talking about winning all three GTs (EM, BH, CF) and then it strayed of to triple crown.

 

[JimPanzen]

Crazy, successful year for Pogacar. Dominated every race he entered bar MSR and that could have been a win as well if MVDP wasn’t there. Detractors said after each domination it wouldn’t happen again at the next race but he provided them and everyone else wrong since no one excepted this level. Not only came back to win the Tour but did so in dominate fashion on the back of dominating the Giro. People said it wouldn’t be easy, but turns out it is if you’re Tadej Pogacar.

You would take away from his achievement by saying it was easy. I think it was hard work, aided by change of trainer. And I think getting spanked by Vingegaard two years in a row added additional fire.

 

[jmdirt]

In the '80s the Vuelta was in the spring so a thrupple wasn't possible. If you mean a tripple crown,

Yes, I already typed that above.

We were discussing winning all three GTs in succession (I thought) and then when it flipped to triple crown, I didn't make the change in my mind.

 

[SHAD0W93]

You would take away from his achievement by saying it was easy. I think it was hard work, aided by change of trainer. And I think getting spanked by Vingegaard two years in a row added additional fire.

The hard work wasn’t easy to get himself here but that’s why you train harder, to make race day easier.

 

[JimPanzen]

The hard work wasn’t easy to get himself here but that’s why you train harder, to make race day easier.

Of course, I thought you meant getting to that level was easy.

 

[Brullnux]

It's insane how he has improved in TT though.

With the latest spec TT bike and a bit more effort, he could have won the second time trial at the Giro against Ganna as well.

Scary as ***.

I really don't think so, he's still slower than Ganna/Tarling/Remco on those TTs. 30s isn't an insignificant margin.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Of course, I thought you meant getting to that level was easy.

Oh no, I meant when there was some on here that said it was too easy but at the next race it’ll be harder.l because the others will be stronger. Pogacar made every race look easy bar MSR on his way to dominating them.

 

[tobydawq]

He now has as many pro wins as his skijumping compatriot.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He now has as many pro wins as his skijumping compatriot.

Finally coming out of Rogla's shadow!

 

[tobydawq]

As everyone else has said... It's the two GTs and the WC. The reason being that until relatively recently the Giro and vuelta used to overlap so couldn't both be done in the same year.

They didn't quite overlap (somehow, Battaglin in 81 and of course Merckx in 73) managed to win both. But there were only three or four days between them.

Maertens also continued his rampage in '77 and won 7 stages in the first week of the Giro after having won 13 stages and overall in the Vuelta until he sadly crashed out.

 

[scribers]

Yes, I already typed that above.

We were discussing winning all three GTs in succession (I thought) and then when it flipped to triple crown, I didn't make the change in my mind.

You changed the discussion to triple crown and then tripled down on it

 

[Gargamel35]

Finally coming out of Rogla's shadow!

He will always be in R. shadow in Slovenia. Younger Instagram generation of quick wins and hero cartoonish performances likes Pog more but they will turn their back on him quickly when wins and records won't be there any more. Many are already now waiting for some kind of doping proof anyway.

Rog. will remain people champion forever. He started the craze in the country and 2020 will never be forgotten.

 

[hayneplane]

I think they swapped it. It's probably the only jersey he will never win... Probably... Well...

Only if they change the points system to make all stage finishes the same points instead of artificially inflating the sprinters chances.

 

[perico]

That's what the triple crown is: all three GTs in succession (Just like Ed and Bernie). No one has ever won all three in the same year.

The triple crown has always been the Giro, The TDF, and the World Championships.


The Vuelta is my favorite race, and I would love to see Pogacar win it, but historically it is not part of the triple crown.

 

[scribers]

That's the GT treble, to do the three GT's in one calendar year. It was never talked about much because it is unthinkable. We dared not imagine.

 

[Izzyeviel]

nope
Triple crown is all three GTs in succession.

EDIT: just think about it, how silly would it that the triple crown would be 2 GTs and a one day race?

Not very. Its only recently the Giro & Vuelta haven't both been held in May.

 

[hayneplane]

Just phenomenal. Just winning the Giro-Tour double is an enormous achievement but normally you would expect the double attempter to be fading but hang on. Instead Pogacar was by far the freshest rider in the final hard trio of stages winning all without looking like he had to empty the tank on any of the efforts.

A combined 16 minute margin to 2nd across both grand tours and 6 stages in each is insane and harks back to Coppi Bartali esque dominance.

This is already the best single non Merckx season and he still has a worlds parcours he is heavy favourite on plus Lombardia where he 3 from 3 and Olympics where he could very plausibly win.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Not quite:
If I have my calculations correct, Pogacar will have 4973 CQ points when it is updated overnight.

He took 1632 points during the Tour: someone with that over a whole season would have come 12th last year.

 

[Danskebjerge]

Is it true that the German commentator said at one point towards the end of the TT that history has shown that we shouldn't believe everything we're seeing, especially not in cycling? If so, it's a completely different approach than what I was presented with here. I like it.

 

[scribers]

Is it true that the German commentator said at one point towards the end of the TT that history has shown that we shouldn't believe everything we're seeing, especially not in cycling? If so, it's a completely different approach than what I was presented with here. I like it.

You mean like the moon landing was staged in a hollywood movie set?

 

[entre nous]

He will always be in R. shadow in Slovenia. Younger Instagram generation of quick wins and hero cartoonish performances likes Pog more but they will turn their back on him quickly when wins and records won't be there any more. Many are already now waiting for some kind of doping proof anyway.

Rog. will remain people champion forever. He started the craze in the country and 2020 will never be forgotten.

It started already in 2017 with the first win over the galibier.

It is true that him switching sports (from ski jumping which is more than a sport discipline in slovenia) and starting late makes him more relatable for some people. It helps that there is still limited understanding of the value of winning a Tour of Flanders in the cyclig world...

But putting things into perspective: rogla/s palmares is already - and this will more than likely only go in one direction - dwarfed by what Tadej has achieved and when emotions that have nothing to do with cycling fade it will be the results and the style of the younger to inspire new generations. also in slovenia.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Is it true that the German commentator said at one point towards the end of the TT that history has shown that we shouldn't believe everything we're seeing, especially not in cycling? If so, it's a completely different approach than what I was presented with here. I like it.

I watched the rest of the stage for the coverage being a minute faster almost on ARD, I don't recall that. But before Carsten Migels has said on ES noumerous times during this Tour that given cyclings history, questions are allways fair game, but if you accuse someone openly of doping, you need to put that on a basis.

Where is 'here' though. The forum, where you live?

 

[bNator]

He will always be in R. shadow in Slovenia. Younger Instagram generation of quick wins and hero cartoonish performances likes Pog more but they will turn their back on him quickly when wins and records won't be there any more. Many are already now waiting for some kind of doping proof anyway.

Rog. will remain people champion forever. He started the craze in the country and 2020 will never be forgotten.

Speak for yourself. It’s not just me but all my cycling colleagues as well who embraced Pog over the years as Rogla’s equal. Yes, Roglic was the first. But Pog… the guy is something else!