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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Pogi himself is seeking out distinctions in the history of the sport that draw him out to be the greatest. He is still at the possibly the most talented with potential phase. And the treble is just the type of result that would elevate him. I’m not saying it will never be as possible as the moment right now to achieve the unthinkable, but it sure does look very realistic given the manner he has dispatched with his challengers this year.
 
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bNator said:
And zero Tour de France non-TT stage wins and monuments. There's no way Indurain ranks higher... Pog is only behind Merckx and Hinault now...
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Agree I would say even higher if I'm frank but honestly idc that much at the end of the day when its all said and done its unquestionable anyway who knows. Factor in different era particular you can make even more conclusion depends on what you value I know what I do but its not very relevant.

Its like if you go by results alone and only that for me that's a flawed logic on seeing it that would applies Roglic is better than Vingegaard and Nibali better than Vingegaard, I just find that to be a flawed logic and way of seeing it its all for me.

Longevity he needs maybe do more to be the ''greatest'' though indeed but that's it for me. I acknowledge its not a scientific answer to this though.
Sure is cool to see so many personas in cycling already say he is above everyone though and not talking about nobody's but greats already.
 
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I don't understand a word in German. What does he say?
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I watched a bit of the video with auto translate on (not sure how accurate it is).
The parts I caught about Pogi: he quickly became friends with Remco because they are similar. He respects Vingegaard but doesn't really understand him. Pogi always observes Vinge and notices that he becomes nervous when he doesn't have teammates around him.
Nils scolded Pogi on radio in that stage where he tried to sprint with the actual sprinters. Pogi often asks on radio if they can go faster.
Apparently they have a "enemies list" on the fridge that became quite long.
 
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I don't understand a word in German. What does he say?
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German is easy to learn...:D:p

Politt talked about a lot of different things:

- Pogacar is extremely relaxed, which he sees as one of his biggest strenghts
- hard to do tactics with Pogacar because often during races he feels good and decides to attack. So it's quite often he changes the tactics spontaneous
- Pogacar had a day where he saw that the last metres were a little but uphill and he really wanted to sprint with the top guns on this terrain. Politt had to hold him back before the race and also during the race
- he sometimes asked Pogacar why he attacked and the answer was something like "no idea, I just had good legs and wanted to try..."
- Pogacar and Evenepoel are close and really like each other. It's different with Vingegaard. They respect each other but nothing more. The day Vingegaard hoped to get the stage as present, Politt thinks he would have given Remco if they would have been together at the front
- Last two years wormed Pogacar and he was happy to bounce back this year
- Politt talked about the training camp and at one day Pogacar had a photo shoot and also on the next day, so Pogacar told Politt that he will take a day off... Politt joked around that they will do a 200km ride and that "only the good guys are able to"... Well, next day Pogacar decided to ride the 200km with them and it ended up as the hardest training day in Politts life because Pogacar played with them and sped up all day as response
- UAE jokes about Vingegaard that he gets very nervous and is looking around as soon as his team isnt around
- Politt also sees Visma as kind of bad losers during this Tour and also thought that the beer-dispute between FDJ and Visma from the Netflix-Doku of Tour 2023 was ridiculous
- Politt thinks that the discussions about carbon monoxide are also quite ridiculous and that he should be more in cologne city then because he is breathing in a lot more of it in this town than during testing of lung volume
 
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scribers said:
if you had to pick one thing to be true:

Door #1 - pogi says *** it and races the vuelta comprising his recovery until later next spring. So he gets the treble, wins one of either worlds or Lombardia (or neither); yet doesn’t do a bonkers spring campaign. Needs the recovery time into next years schedule. does LBL (good enough to win), Dauphine, and is strong again for tour/vuelta combo plus worlds/Lombardia.

Door #2 pogi stays the course. Wins worlds, Lombardia, and has a lights out spring classics campaign (no giro), tour/Vuelta, worlds, Lombardia
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If Pogi chooses path #1, I have some doubts that he would be good enough to win LBL against peak shape Remco. I also don't expect him to ride Lombardia next year if he indeed does Tour-Vuelta-Worlds.

I would pick path #2 personally, however I acknowledge that there are good reasons for #1.

My train of thought is the following, Pogačar is on absolute terms already the best performer ever on a road bike however in relative terms and statistical he is still far from the palmares of Merckx or even Hinault. Obviously doing the GT treble in the same year would be unprecedented and would grant him the best season ever however in the long run that wouldn't still grant him a statistical GOAT status as Merckx palmares is still much further ahead.

So I believe that the priority for him should be to race and win the biggest amount of major races during the longest amount of time possible. And path #2 is in my opinion, the best to achieve that.
 
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- hard to do tactics with Pogacar because often during races he feels good and decides to attack. So it's quite often he changes the tactics spontaneous
- he sometimes asked Pogacar why he attacked and the answer was something like "no idea, I just had good legs and wanted to try..."
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I can imagine :sweatsmile:
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- Politt talked about the training camp and at one day Pogacar had a photo shoot and also on the next day, so Pogacar told Politt that he will take a day off... Politt joked around that they will do a 200km ride and that "only the good guys are able to"... Well, next day Pogacar decided to ride the 200km with them and it ended up as the hardest training day in Politts life because Pogacar played with them and sped up all day as response
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Politt was such a beast this Tour. Cool guy.
 
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jono said:
Why is that, exactly? There are many Olympic cycling events. Pogacar would have been a participant in only two of them, and a potential gold medal winner (but not favorite) in one.
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It is the depressing tit for tat fighting in this very forum that depresses me, I am of course going to watch the cycling because I love it! but the fighting here is very depressing
 
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