Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

Attia the biggest snake-oil salesman in the game

I can scarcely believe my eyes.

Pogacar is constantly delivering performances above 6.1 w/kg in GT's (this year)

 

[Peyroteo94]

They are reporting points from the youtube interview linked at the bottom, spilt into 3 articles

View: https://youtu.be/m9yjbJJBjHU
(50 min)

He said 20 minutes climbs quite steep (over 9%) are his favourite climbs. This dude will be ready to nuke Vuelta one day.

 

[Peyroteo94]

They are reporting points from the youtube interview linked at the bottom, spilt into 3 articles

View: https://youtu.be/m9yjbJJBjHU
(50 min)

He also said powermeters are not so reliable and he prefers to assess his performance by looking to his heart rate.

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

An educated guess.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838207101694328969

View: https://x.com/MontVentoux23/status/1838207101694328969?t=Z0XbLQPWOvDv364fa7g9Cw&s=19

 

[Barkintheeye]

Attia the biggest snake-oil salesman in the game

I can scarcely believe my eyes.

Am I reading this wrong? Didn't Pog do well above 2000 VAM and 7W/kg during his best efforts at TDF?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Am I reading this wrong? Didn't Pog do well above 2000 VAM and 7W/kg during his best efforts at TDF?

No. He did 1877 m/h in Plateau de Beille. However this climb has a final flat section with 500m to the finish. His actual VAM was something like 1909 m/h in a 8% climb during almost 39 minutes. Mutant performance.

 

[bNator]

I think it's very important to note the following takeaway from the interview: Pog basically said he's gonna keep riding the Tour until he hangs his bike on the wall and starts doing something else.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think it's very important to note the following takeaway from the interview: Pog basically said he's gonna keep riding the Tour until he hangs his bike on the wall and start doing something else.

Yes. He wants to win 6, I'm sure.

 

[Rou]

Yes. He wants to win 6, I'm sure.

He wants to win 8. Cycling fans know the real record is 7 by mr. Armstrong.

 

[mlescanojr]

I think it's very important to note the following takeaway from the interview: Pog basically said he's gonna keep riding the Tour until he hangs his bike on the wall and starts doing something else.

Yes, indeed.

 

[mlescanojr]

Yes. He wants to win 6, I'm sure.

Maybe 8?

 

[Tim Cahill]

Am I reading this wrong? Didn't Pog do well above 2000 VAM and 7W/kg during his best efforts at TDF?

You aren't reading wrong, though it depends on the effort, 'VAM' alone doesn't really mean much without context of climb type/duration. Pogacar and even some of Vingegaard's efforts were close and sometimes exceeding Pantani/Riis/Mig on the climbs, rather than the '10%-15% less' than he thinks here.

Pogacar's fresh FTP over an hour is at least close to 7 w/kg, form/weight dependant ofc.

Tl;dr Attia is a charlatan, no more qualifications in exercise physiology/related than anyone on here (zero), his speciality is the classic 'longevity medicine'. I'd also expect most people on here to have a better grasp of the basic concepts. Having said that I think it's good Pogacar is doing this sort of interview, though just wish he would've chosen someone different.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Maybe 8?

Welcome to CN mate. But 6 is his target, 8 is very far.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Mohoric said Pogacar will be the sole leader in Zurich and he will give 100% to help him win the race. So Roglic will have a free role or he will help Tadej but all other teammates will help Pogacar. That's the plan.

 

[Peyroteo94]

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Welcome back from your ban. Yeah, good news for Pogi.

 

[Froome]

Attia the biggest snake-oil salesman in the game

I can scarcely believe my eyes.

What perfomances Pantani did at or above 2000 VAM in 1998?

 

[Tim Cahill]

What perfomances Pantani did at or above 2000 VAM in 1998?

Pantani's best >2000 VAM show in a race was probably about 20 minutes (Flumserberg 1995 I think), conditions not ideal as it was throwing it down and he was mostly alone, though some might know of better examples.

Pogacar/Vingegaard could definitely go a bit longer in the right scenario I think, Roglic/Remco weren't a million miles off on Lo Port but drafting/conditions were basically ideal so the physiological effort wasn't as high as it was with Pantani.

 

[Froome]

Pantani's best >2000 VAM show in a race was probably about 20 minutes (Flumserberg 1995 I think), conditions not ideal as it was throwing it down and he was mostly alone, though some might know of better examples.

Pogacar/Vingegaard could definitely go a bit longer in the right scenario I think, Roglic/Remco weren't a million miles off on Lo Port but drafting/conditions were basically ideal so the physiological effort wasn't as high as it was with Pantani.

My bad, sorry. My question was, in what climbs of the Tour 1998, Pantani did a VAM of 2000?

 

[Tim Cahill]

My bad, sorry. My question was, in what climbs of the Tour 1998, Pantani did a VAM of 2000?

As far as I know none of them, off the top of my head that Tour was mostly longer climbs (inc PDB), I don't even think he was in his best climbing form (better in the Giro and mid-90s) which is partly why Attia's comment makes no sense, most charitable explanation is that he was getting confused with other races, or more likely just making crap up and hoping nobody questions it.

Here's the link to the comment chain (at the top);

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9yjbJJBjHU&lc=Ugzit0O5c-gJP07PrA54AaABAg

 

[Froome]

As far as I know none of them, off the top of my head that Tour was mostly longer climbs (inc PDB), I don't even think he was in his best climbing form (better in the Giro and mid-90s) which is partly why Attia's comment makes no sense, most charitable explanation is that he was getting confused with other races, or more likely just making crap up and hoping nobody questions it.

Here's the link to the comment chain (at the top);

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9yjbJJBjHU&lc=Ugzit0O5c-gJP07PrA54AaABAg

The VAM of Pantani was way lower than this year on Plateau de beille.

So, a bunch of lies by these guy called attia.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Cyclenews knows whats up.

'Everybody knows Tadej is the best rider in the world' - Is a rainbow jersey inevitable for Pogačar?

'Last year I was third on a course that didn't suit me, this year the chances are bigger' says Slovenian

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Also everyone just seems to focus and talk about Pogi naturally but still.

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Pogacar has an odd of 1,53 to win on Sunday. Heavy favourite!

 

[mlescanojr]

Welcome to CN mate. But 6 is his target, 8 is very far.

I will be happy either way.

 

[James M]

He has a FTP of 7w/kg....He can just have yates pull all inn for 5min and everyone is in the red and he literally just strolling around still without beeing in the red zone even...WC properly not remotely close enough to beeing hard enough for that though.

 

[Froome]

(Only recently saw this.)
Could it be that what he's doing is spending time with family and friends? Just generally having a life outside cycling.
I suppose - harsh as it might sound - that someone who is 110% focused on cycling would not miss out on defending a Monument title because his MIL was dying. However, Pogacar did just that, because he's not just a cyclists, he's also a nice young man, who just wanted to be there for the woman he loves.

My point is, you can be 110% focused on cycling, or in your job as a example, and then when you have some time free, you do what you want like being with other friends or family.

 

[RedheadDane]

My point is, you can be 110% focused on cycling, or in your job as a example, and then when you have some time free, you do what you want like being with other friends or family.

Your family and friends also deserve some energy that's solely for them, not just whatever you have left when you've done your job.