Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[SHAD0W93]

When we almost got robbed of history - well the rest after is history.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808508759724925089

View: https://x.com/LeGruppetto/status/1808508759724925089

His biggest competitor the whole year.

 

[Red Rick]

The problem with PR is that it is not about watts/kg or even watts/CdA. It is about WATTS. Does he have the absolute watts compared to bigger riders like MVP, WVA or Pederson?

Bigger riders also lose less energy to vertical vibration but I think this can be somewhat mitigated these days by wider tubeless tires and lower pressures. But how does his absolute power compare to a 78 or 80 kg rider?

Its about watts/cda

 

[Shortcut]

Interesting about basque. I have not heard the reasoning for him staying away from P-R.

No way he actually said this did he?

He didn't say it. Though, he did say he wants to win all big 7 one week races. It is just my opinion he will want to clear his schedule for the future so he can go to E3, Flanders and P-R every year. I am 99% sure, he will ride Basque or Romandie next year. If he actually wins Basque, Dauphine and Vuelta next year there is only Romandie and Suisse and that's it. After that he can totally concentrate on spring classics.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He didn't say it. Though, he did say he wants to win all big 7 one week races. It is just my opinion he will want to clear his schedule for the future so he can go to E3, Flanders and P-R every year. I am 99% sure, he will ride Basque or Romandie next year. If he actually wins Basque, Dauphine and Vuelta next year there is only Romandie and Suisse and that's it. After that he can totally concentrate on spring classics.

I think he doesn't care about one week stage races.

 

[AmRacer]

I think he doesn't care about one week stage races.

He said he does.

 

[Shortcut]

I think he doesn't care about one week stage races.

Except he literally said that he does indeed cares.... Also could have skip Catalunya this year and just ride P-N, E3 and Flanders instead.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Except he literally said that he does indeed cares.... Also could have skip Catalunya this year and just ride P-N, E3 and Flanders instead.

I didn't know he wanted to win everything.
He did Catalunya because is the best race to prepare the Giro (tougher compared to PN and TA). IF he could, he would race RVV.

 

[scribers]

He didn't say it. Though, he did say he wants to win all big 7 one week races. It is just my opinion he will want to clear his schedule for the future so he can go to E3, Flanders and P-R every year. I am 99% sure, he will ride Basque or Romandie next year. If he actually wins Basque, Dauphine and Vuelta next year there is only Romandie and Suisse and that's it. After that he can totally concentrate on spring classics.

The problem is too many races days with multiple 1 week races if he plans on two GT. Remember the sheik expects him to ride his one week race next year to show off the rainbows

 

[scribers]

I didn't know he wanted to win everything.
He did Catalunya because is the best race to prepare the Giro (tougher compared to PN and TA). IF he could, he would race RVV.

He literally said he wanted to win the collection of historical 1 week races. Basque/romandie and dolphin’ee/suisse present challenges for a classics rider who also has to race le tour

 

[Peyroteo94]

He literally said he wanted to win the collection of historical 1 week races. Basque/romandie and dolphin’ee/suisse present challenges for a classics rider who also has to race le tour

He can do it in 5 years. I don't want him to race Pais Vasco instead of RVV

 

[Shortcut]

The problem is too many races days with multiple 1 week races if he plans on two GT. Remember the sheik expects him to ride his one week race next year to show off the rainbows

Yes i agree with that. Maybe because of that case he will leave out Dauphine but i am 99% sure he will ride Basque or Romandie. I don't really get why Vuelta next year but maybe he thinks nobody will challenge him there.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He can do it in 5 years. I don't want him to race Pais Vasco instead of RVV

Surely monuments are more important than anything else (except GTs and WC of course). Winning RVV would add more to his legacy so probably 4 monuments next year.

 

[yaf]

I would be really suprised if he actually goes to Vuelta next year since ITT and RR in Rwanda are just perfect for him. But he did mention in Slovenian Media, he will do 2 GC next year and that he wants to ride Vuelta. In that case he will ride; UAE, MSR, Flanders, Basque, LBL, Dauphine, Tour, Vuelta, WC and Lombardia. He will not skip Basque because he wants to win all the one week spring stage races before he attacks P-R.

The pbm with basque is it is the day after flanders which make it almost impossible

 

[yaf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849044851133763885

View: https://x.com/ImCalledPikachu/status/1849044851133763885?t=Ee_pFnbUawnDgk6EtY0bTA&s=19

The moment cycling narrative changed once and for all

 

[Shortcut]

The pbm with basque is it is the day after flanders which make it almost impossible

I think is two days -Flanders 5.4. and Basque starts 7.4 but yes it is difficult. The same story with LBL and Romandie.

 

[yaf]

I think is two days -Flanders 5.4. and Basque starts 7.4 but yes it is difficult. The same story with LBL and Romandie.

Where do you find that? Its confirmed, flanders on 6 & basque on 7

 

[AmRacer]

Where do you find that? Its confirmed, flanders on 6 & basque on 7

He will race those races he hasn't won.

 

[Salvarani]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849044851133763885

View: https://x.com/ImCalledPikachu/status/1849044851133763885?t=Ee_pFnbUawnDgk6EtY0bTA&s=19

The moment cycling narrative changed once and for all

The best day in cycling history!

 

[yaf]

The best day in cycling history!

You can see and feel his pain in this picture and yet visma & ving wanted to be gifted a stage 🤣

 

[yaf]

He will race those races he hasn't won.

I didn't say he cant win both based on pure strength, of course he is racing with juniors😁 but logistically its difficult to ride Rvv & next day go to basque to race

 

[Shortcut]

Where do you find that? Its confirmed, flanders on 6 & basque on 7

Yes, you're correct. My bad.

 

[hayneplane]

The pbm with basque is it is the day after flanders which make it almost impossible

The only serious rider I can think of who did Flanders/Itzulia/PR back to back with ambition to win everywhere in the last 40 years is Sean Kelly.

Even peak Pog would struggle to beat MVDP in Flanders on Sunday then rock up the next day and beat Jonas in Itzulia.

 

[Stubb]

If Pog really wants that cobble trophy he needs to start racing like a cobbled classics specialist from next year on, never missing an edition of pr until he wins it (still a big if). He can skip one or two msr and still have a fair chanche of winning it when he is 30+ but no way he'll have a shot at Roubaix if he waits 3 yrs or more: rn he knows he's the best in every terrain against any competitor, will this be the scenario in 3 years?
I don't really agree with the weight or peak power argument, those cobbles ask for skill, luck and endurance (nibali in tour weight dropped cancellara and sagan, can't pog drop wva or mvdp given the right circumstances?)
These last two years he proved to be the best in every race except for the hardest of them all: better start trying as soon as next year when even merckx needed thrre attempts, the first victory, in 1968, with his first wc jersey.

 

[yaf]

The only serious rider I can think of who did Flanders/Itzulia/PR back to back with ambition to win everywhere in the last 40 years is Sean Kelly.

Even peak Pog would struggle to beat MVDP in Flanders on Sunday then rock up the next day and beat Jonas in Itzulia.

He already dropped mvdp on flanders in 2023 with a quasi trainer imagine what he would do to him after 2 years with sola🤭 and ving well, on short climbs he cant even beat 2023 pog

 

[Peyroteo94]

If Pog really wants that cobble trophy he needs to start racing like a cobbled classics specialist from next year on, never missing an edition of pr until he wins it (still a big if). He can skip one or two msr and still have a fair chanche of winning it when he is 30+ but no way he'll have a shot at Roubaix if he waits 3 yrs or more: rn he knows he's the best in every terrain against any competitor, will this be the scenario in 3 years?
I don't really agree with the weight or peak power argument, those cobbles ask for skill, luck and endurance (nibali in tour weight dropped cancellara and sagan, can't pog drop wva or mvdp given the right circumstances?)
These last two years he proved to be the best in every race except for the hardest of them all: better start trying as soon as next year when even merckx needed thrre attempts, the first victory, in 1968, with his first wc jersey.

MSR will be tougher for him