Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[tobydawq]

Hopefully he’ll try the giro/tour double before the “new” thing appears and challenge him too hard to make it viable. People always seem to overestimate how long someone is likely to dominate (perhaps based on Armstrong ptsd). Contador didn’t really try until it was too late (11 was more of a race as much as possible before ban is enacted) and Froome missed out when he tried as well. It’s time someone follows Pantani in his footsteps .

I think 2011 was a good chance for Contador. Without the crashes in the beginning of the race, he could have won the Tour. He was miles ahead of the competition in the Giro.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I think 2011 was a good chance for Contador. Without the crashes in the beginning of the race, he could have won the Tour. He was miles ahead of the competition in the Giro.

And that was a Giro that quite frankly took a lot out of everyone who finished it, let alone those who were competing in the top 10. Even without those suicide attacks in the last week he could have finished on the podium.


On a side topic I remember the outcry when Sagan took bonus seconds from Nibali and the thought was he would need those to compete for the win.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I think 2011 was a good chance for Contador. Without the crashes in the beginning of the race, he could have won the Tour. He was miles ahead of the competition in the Giro.

Could he though? Obviously its hard to know if that means he will ride better in the last week of the race, but he shipped lots of time on Galibier. But Contador was definitely in his absolutely prime in 2011 IMO, 2008-2011 id say.

 

[topcat]

And that was a Giro that quite frankly took a lot out of everyone who finished it, let alone those who were competing in the top 10. Even without those suicide attacks in the last week he could have finished on the podium.


On a side topic I remember the outcry when Sagan took bonus seconds from Nibali and the thought was he would need those to compete for the win.

Nibali was only 46 seconds away from the win.

 

[Red Rick]

In hindsight I see 2009 and 2011 as possible for Contador, and only 2016 for Froome.

 

[tobydawq]

In hindsight I see 2009 and 2011 as possible for Contador, and only 2016 for Froome.

All years from 2013 to 2016 were possible for Froome.

 

[Red Rick]

All years from 2013 to 2016 were possible for Froome.

I think his approach to GTs got more conservative and he was less hot in his first one of the year after 2015 enabling him to do decent doubles. Especially 2014 and 2015 seem rather outlandish.

Think it's like 2016 >> 2017 >>> 2013 >>2015>2014.

 

[tobydawq]

I think his approach to GTs got more conservative and he was less hot in his first one of the year after 2015 enabling him to do decent doubles. Especially 2014 and 2015 seem rather outlandish.

Think it's like 2016 >> 2017 >>> 2013 >>2015>2014.

Actually, 2017>2016>2015>2014>2013. You should have listened better in your maths lessons

But I guess you have a point.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Nibali was only 46 seconds away from the win.

I guess that is my bad I didn’t clarify 2011 Vuelta and just assumed others would know based off Sagan winning the stage and the outcry some had on here after it. If we want to go that route Nibali probably would have won the Giro if Contador wasn’t in the race but he was and he destroyed everyone.

View: https://youtu.be/ewvSG-y1JAg


Edit: upon rereading the thread they were more mad at Agnoli, than team tactics, and than Sagan.

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[topcat]

I guess that is my bad I didn’t clarify 2011 Vuelta and just assumed others would know based off Sagan winning the stage and the outcry some had on here after it. If we want to go that route Nibali probably would have won the Giro if Contador wasn’t in the race but he was and he destroyed everyone.

View: https://youtu.be/ewvSG-y1JAg


Edit: upon rereading the thread they were more mad at Agnoli, than team tactics, and than Sagan.

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Mixing giros with vueltas can cause headaches and projectile vomiting.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Mixing giros with vueltas can cause headaches and projectile vomiting.

You might have some other underlying issue that is exacerbated when confusing the two. xD

 

[gunara]

Nibali was only 46 seconds away from the win.

Almost a year later. Before I realized it, this was just as confusing as Shadow's post.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Almost a year later. Before I realized it, this was just as confusing as Shadow's post.

You just weren't around for the spectacle of the 2011 forum comments maybe. I'm getting old like Carols.

 

[lenric]

In hindsight I see 2009 and 2011 as possible for Contador, and only 2016 for Froome.

yeah I mean in 2009 if Contador had won the Giro and the Tour that would mean he was beating Armstrong twice... I'd say nasty things would happen

 

[CyclistAbi]

Not all that sure if Giro-Tour double is a given to any rider these days. Highly likely it's a rather risky move to do a Giro. If your main goal of the season is the Tour.

 

[Red Rick]

Not all that sure if Giro-Tour double is a given to any rider these days. Highly likely it's a rather risky move to do a Giro. If your main goal of the season is the Tour.

Yeah its pretty telling Pogacar probably wasnt gonna do the Vuelta

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Not all that sure if Giro-Tour double is a given to any rider these days. Highly likely it's a rather risky move to do a Giro. If your main goal of the season is the Tour.

Of course, but it's by far the biggest thing you can accomplish as a stage racer in one season. The prestige is huge.

But it seems Pogacar and UAE are indeed more about breaking Pharmstrong's stripped TDF record, or at least winning as many TDFs as possible. That would mean no Giri until he starts declining.

Think to have him at the 2022 Giro would require a) an easy course and b) a large sum of $$$

 

[gunara]

You just weren't around for the spectacle of the 2011 forum comments maybe. I'm getting old like Carols.

I think started to visit almost regularly, lurking hard, around that Giro, but I admit I didn't remember everything, maybe because I'm getting old too like Carols, and you

 

[SHAD0W93]

I think started to visit almost regularly, lurking hard, around that Giro, but I admit I didn't remember everything, maybe because I'm getting old too like Carols, and you

What stinks is I’ll be 28 this year lol
Nursing school taking a toll :$

 

[solo80k]

Think to have him at the 2022 Giro would require a) an easy course and b) a large sum of $$$

b) Yes
a) What he really needs is 1st MTF on Etna + 40 kms od hilly TT + MTT in the third week. And not much climbing above 2800.

 

[tobydawq]

What stinks is I’ll be 28 this year lol
Nursing school taking a toll :$

So it's more like you're getting old like RedheadDane.

 

[SHAD0W93]

So it's more like you're getting old like RedheadDane.

Exactly! Or BlueRoads.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Does UAE even have a team to support Pogačar on Giro-Tour double? It's a reasonable team for one GT. But two in a row? Are the guys prepared to do that?

 

[Offline]

Does UAE even have a team to support Pogačar on Giro-Tour double? It's a reasonable team for one GT. But two in a row? Are the guys prepared to do that?

Def not

 

[Red Rick]

Does UAE even have a team to support Pogačar on Giro-Tour double? It's a reasonable team for one GT. But two in a row? Are the guys prepared to do that?

They have Pogacar for both GTs.