Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[ppanther92]

Pogi was hiding in the woods today like he is hiding from a GC battle with Vingo, Remco and Rogla until the TdF but even then he can hide behind his Giro efforts if he would fail again.

Yeah, I am sure the rider with the by far most challenging season planning is hiding. And I am also sure that he is very scared by the superb showing by Evenpoel and Roglic at Paris Nice.

He has also shown already that he beats Vingegaard in basically all early season races.

The main question is simply the Tour. How will the Giro affect him? Will Vingegaard show any weakness?

 

[YavorD]

The biggest hindrance would be if a rider and team are as or stronger than he and UAE. It could turn into a 2015 situation when Contador had to do everything on his own. Otherwise if he gets a big enough lead the first week he can just relax and follow wheels.

Although it's possible that some rider massively over performs, it's unlikely that a rider and his team will over-perform so much that they destroy UAE and Pof has to do it himself.
I mean, Grosschatner, Bjerg, Majka and Novak are possibly the strongest domestiques in the Giro and Vine can be useful as will if he doesn't crash.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Although it's possible that some rider massively over performs, it's unlikely that a rider and his team will over-perform so much that they destroy UAE and Pof has to do it himself.
I mean, Grosschatner, Bjerg, Majka and Novak are possibly the strongest domestiques in the Giro and Vine can be useful as will if he doesn't crash.

Or get sick.

 

[mou]

at the moment of Pog's attack, 7.4 km to the top and 3.4 km to the top, exactly 11:26 minute passed, and in those 11:26 minute he gave Bernal 69 seconds, and Bernal had 6.5 w/kg in those 4 km, so now you calculate how much Pog had

 

[mou]

at the moment of Pog's attack, 7.4 km to the top and 3.4 km to the top, exactly 11:26 minute passed, and in those 11:26 minute he gave Bernal 69 seconds, and Bernal had 6.5 w/kg in those 4 km, so now you calculate how much Pog had

alone, without a draft, in constant rain and 4-5°

 

[Froome]

F

at the moment of Pog's attack, 7.4 km to the top and 3.4 km to the top, exactly 11:26 minute passed, and in those 11:26 minute he gave Bernal 69 seconds, and Bernal had 6.5 w/kg in those 4 km, so now you calculate how much Pog had

Fake news, not even Naichaca would say that.

He did 6.3/6.4 w/kg on that section.

At least this time you didn't said 8.5 w/kg.

 

[mou]

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Fake news, not even Naichaca would say that.

He did 6.3/6.4 w/kg on that section.

At least this time you didn't said 8.5 w/kg.

you know how much he did, and I, who am currently looking at Pog w/kg and go to Strava to see Bernal in that exact sector of 4km, and you are teaching me how much it is, scary

 

[Froome]

you know how much he did, and I, who am currently looking at Pog w/kg and go to Strava to see Bernal in that exact sector of 4km, and you are teaching me how much it is, scary

On that section of 4 Km, Pogacar climbed 300/320 vertical meters in 11 min and 20 s, it's impossible to be more than 6.3/6.4 w/kg.

Talking about the last 7 km, because it's more interesting, if you see ammattipyoraily calculations, it's 6.2/6.3 w/kg, looking at the VAM for 65 kg standard weight.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1770195438374637964

View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1770195438374637964

 

[Ripper]

Wait, is toddy 150+ lbs?

Also, why ISM a fraud? He has his areas of focus

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Wait, is toddy 150+ lbs?

145 says PCS

 

[Oldermanish]

Because the Giro is not a good preparation race for the Tour.

There's a lot of time later in his career to win the Giro.

And put on some weight to finish it if it's super cold. Not an easy preparation for the finely tuned physique.

 

[Oldermanish]

On that section of 4 Km, Pogacar climbed 300/320 vertical meters in 11 min and 20 s, it's impossible to be more than 6.3/6.4 w/kg.

Talking about the last 7 km, because it's more interesting, if you see ammattipyoraily calculations, it's 6.2/6.3 w/kg, looking at the VAM for 65 kg standard weight.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1770195438374637964

View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1770195438374637964

Maybe someday the armchair geeks can ask Tadej what his watts and pulse were and whether he cared? That kind of gap would not incite excessive waste of energy for a GT winner. That's why they are GT winners.

 

[scribers]

Pogi was hiding in the woods today like he is hiding from a GC battle with Vingo, Remco and Rogla until the TdF but even then he can hide behind his Giro efforts if he would fail again.

Pogi released his schedule first. The others scheduled away from him

 

[Oldermanish]

Maybe someday the armchair geeks can ask Tadej what his watts and pulse were and whether he cared? That kind of gap would not incite excessive waste of energy for a GT winner. That's why they are GT winners.

Just saw that stage in limited weather-impacted form. If Tadej exceeded any record it was to stay warm and get to the bus for the first warm shower.

 

[mou]

On that section of 4 Km, Pogacar climbed 300/320 vertical meters in 11 min and 20 s, it's impossible to be more than 6.3/6.4 w/kg.

Talking about the last 7 km, because it's more interesting, if you see ammattipyoraily calculations, it's 6.2/6.3 w/kg, looking at the VAM for 65 kg standard weight.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1770195438374637964

View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1770195438374637964

he had VAM 1807 on that section that that scammer Ammati..... publishes and I have proof of that. you and I want to bet? if I show you that Pog had VAM of 1807 in the last 7 km, you will not write anymore not a single post, and if you're and that ammati... are right, I'll apologize and send 10,000E to your account, agreed? 😉💯

 

[Netserk]

he had VAM 1807 on exactly that section

So until the finish-line, and not when he stopped his strava?

 

[Salvarani]

Pogi was hiding in the woods today like he is hiding from a GC battle with Vingo, Remco and Rogla until the TdF but even then he can hide behind his Giro efforts if he would fail again.

Yeah, thats why none of the others has been at any race with him yet. Despite him having his schedule out first.

 

[mou]

So until the finish-line, and not when he stopped his strava?

the last 6.90 km is what I have because then Pog turned off the power meter and this Finn shows the last 7.13 km, so he also says that VAM is 1707 and I have proof that it is 1807 and what are we going to do now, should I believe the data that Pog's computer shows or some Finnish swindler over there and a faded Froome

 

[mou]

Vallter 2000 - Parte dura (7km) | Strava Ride Segment in Setcases, Spain

www.strava.com

I'm not allowed to reveal more data from the training peaks, but I can show you from Strava because they're public😉, and if we send @Froome there and where he deserves to be, we'll dig deep into the Pog training peaks, of course if he has the balls and honors his word

 

[Netserk]

the last 6.90 km is what I have because then Pog turned off the power meter and this Finn shows the last 7.13 km, so he also says that VAM is 1707 and I have proof that it is 1807 and what are we going to do now, should I believe the data that Pog's computer shows or some Finnish swindler over there and a faded Froome

So not the exact same segment as you first wrote?

 

[Netserk]

Vallter 2000 - Parte dura (7km) | Strava Ride Segment in Setcases, Spain

www.strava.com

I'm not allowed to reveal more data from the training peaks, but I can show you from Strava because they're public😉, and if we send @Froome there and where he deserves to be, we'll dig deep into the Pog training peaks, of course if he has the balls and honors his word

Dude, that VAM at 1807 m/h is a totally different segment of the climb ...

How on Earth did you think a segment of the beginning of the climb refutes a statement about the last part of it?!

 

[mou]

So not the exact same segment as you first wrote?

they can write and calculate what they want from their imaginary numbers, I'am puting everything on paper for you here, in black and white

 

[Netserk]

they can write and calculate what they want from their imaginary numbers, I'am puting everything on paper for you here, in black and white

Yes, you clearly show that your numbers refers to the beginning of the climb, not the end of it.

 

[Salvarani]

Jealous one's envy

 

[Froome]

Vallter 2000 - Parte dura (7km) | Strava Ride Segment in Setcases, Spain

www.strava.com

I'm not allowed to reveal more data from the training peaks, but I can show you from Strava because they're public😉, and if we send @Froome there and where he deserves to be, we'll dig deep into the Pog training peaks, of course if he has the balls and honors his word

Dude, that part is the beginning of the climb.
I talked about the last 7 km. Did you listen what people are saying to you? Netserk already told you.