I am more impressed about Narvaez. These numbers are normal for Pogi but Narvaez probably made his best career performance. Chapeau to him!
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I am more impressed about Narvaez. These numbers are normal for Pogi but Narvaez probably made his best career performance. Chapeau to him!
View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1786835983436272118
Dumoulin was only 30s slower than Pantani, it's not the fastest record at allView: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1786835983436272118
He can beat pantani's record tomorrow by doing 6.7/6.8 w/kg in about 17 minutes.
Not a impressive record by Pantani. He had issues with the bike.Dumoulin was only 30s slower than Pantani, it's not the fastest record at all
Before the climb, yes, don‘t know how that impedes his climbingNot a impressive record by Pantani. He had issues with the bike.
Per their own article, Roglic did better in Fleche Wallone in 2021, for those keeping score.
Pike is steeper, so VAM is bigger.View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1675212859435786241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1675212859435786241%7Ctwgr%5E464b8cb95f1efa93f109a12cf40f0d1299bcca0e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.cyclingnews.com%2Fthreads%2F2023-tour-de-france-stage-1-bilbao-bilbao-182-km-spain-saturday-july-1.39019%2Fpage-39
View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1786801099950678266
VAM was superior on cote de pike.
View: https://twitter.com/NaichacaCycling/status/1786854038979354872Before the climb, yes, don‘t know how that impedes his climbing
In 1 km you will not see a substantial improvement analyzing it from the couchPogacar will win the race easily but today i had the sensation again that he is not stronger than in the previous years.
You're new here so here's how this couching stuff works: You set up a claim up front, a target if you will, and then you watch the race or the segment and whatever happens, your claim is now supported by facts - and you can now go and write all about it on the forumIn 1 km you will not see a substantial improvement analyzing it from the couch
I mean that if a guy wants to do two GTs he will want to improve especially in other types of efforts. Let's sit back and see more before analyzing too much of a steep 1km and a great performance from Narvaez.You're new here so here's how this couching stuff works: You set up a claim up front, a target if you will, and then you watch the race or the segment and whatever happens, your claim is now supported by facts - and you can now go and write all about it on the forum
P.S. That being said, I tend to agree with @Froome that being unable to drop Schachmann and Narvaez on a climb like that points to the assumption that if this was TdF, Pog would not be able to drop Vingegaard either - hence currently not stronger than previous years. The only problem is this is not the Tour but the beginning of the Giro with Tour still to come and there he could in fact prove to be much stronger than here. In fact - if he is serious about winning both, this is the way to go (minus burning out his team for little gain, of course...)
VERY MUCH YES.P.S. That being said, I tend to agree with @Froome that being unable to drop Schachmann and Narvaez on a climb like that points to the assumption that if this was TdF, Pog would not be able to drop Vingegaard either - hence currently not stronger than previous years. The only problem is this is not the Tour but the beginning of the Giro with Tour still to come and there he could in fact prove to be much stronger than here. In fact - if he is serious about winning both, this is the way to go (minus burning out his team for little gain, of course...)
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VAM was superior on cote de pike.
The important difference is that 1) Pike wasn't measured from bottom to top, so you're already missing a section that's above threshold and more import 2)Pogacar launched San Vito from the very bottom, while Cote de Pike had Pogacar and Vingegaard looking at each other and not fulling committing to going as hard as possible. Mur de Huy typically has terrible pacing as wellPike is steeper, so VAM is bigger.
That's kinda hilarious on one point, but I am pretty suer he launched the entire climb and he likely did a positive split.
Shows just how far off Naichaca's estimates really are. Official figures 8.48w/kg for when he was attacking (1'46") whereas Naichaca has him doing more than that for the entire duration of the climb
Why Novak last? He didn't look good? (Didn't see the beginning, so might have worked a lot beforehand)I see some people have worries about the UAE team in this race... but no other team looked very impressive numbers-wise in the final yesterday. Most teams had 2-3 riders at most and there were a bunch of hilly-classics type riders in the end, who will be nowhere in the high mountains. Other riders surprisingly being dropped.
I dont feel like it was a stage very well suited to either Grosschartner or Majka, who likes the longer climbs and should be at their best later in the race.
With that in mind... maybe Novak should have been the last man yesterday, as he looked good and did well in LBL.
Bjerg was great yesterday. Perhaps pulling a bit too hard but they were trying to win the stage and take the jersey. Had to make up ground on the break at that point.
I believe Pog just wanted to put on a show and create some entertainment. It was a fun first stage either way.
Yeah hard to tell, certainly seemed like a positive split. I assumed that the Velon data was from the series off accelerations near the start of the climb.That's kinda hilarious on one point, but I am pretty suer he launched the entire climb and he likely did a positive split.
8.5 for 1'46 is a basically getting dropped on the Cauberg.
Think thats what happens when you do the tapering before a GT, takes a minute to get the engine rolling.Yeah hard to tell, certainly seemed like a positive split. I assumed that the Velon data was from the series off accelerations near the start of the climb.
Seems most of the peloton was a bit off yesterday, they did 6/wkg (ish) for 17mins on the Maddalena & Pog only put 12secs into Ganna on the final 9.5% climb
Yeah worked early and pulled the last climb on his own the penultimate time, thinning the peloton out.Why Novak last? He didn't look good? (Didn't see the beginning, so might have worked a lot beforehand)