Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Krzysztof_O]

Ammattipyoraily clocked 15:26 s.

Actually not. Pogacar did very good perfomances, not just on Monte Grappa, but also in the time trials and Foscagno.

He did a good perfomance on Grappa, i just said he did far from 6.9 w/kg in the last 15 min according to ammattipyoraily, but doesn't mean he did a bad perfomance.

I think I mentioned it before but keep in mind about 1 km of nearly flat/downhill during the Grappa climb (and about 700 m of it in the last few km), which isn't typical for other, especially shorter climbs. I'm not sure about w/kg algorithm used (did they include it or not) but it's certain that VAM is affected by a few dozen of vertical meters: 1720 m/h for the whole climb translates to roughly 1760-1780 m/h of actual vertical speed (which is very impressive for a 50 minute effort and for an 8%+ climb usually indicates about 6.3 w/kg). For the last section relative VAM difference can be even bigger.

 

[Red Rick]

I think I mentioned it before but keep in mind about 1 km of nearly flat/downhill during the Grappa climb (and about 700 m of it in the last few km), which isn't typical for other, especially shorter climbs. I'm not sure about w/kg algorithm used (did they include it or not) but it's certain that VAM is affected by a few dozen of vertical meters: 1720 m/h for the whole climb translates to roughly 1760-1780 m/h of actual vertical speed (which is very impressive for a 50 minute effort and for an 8%-ish climb usually indicates about 6.3 w/kg). For the last section relative VAM difference can be even bigger.

You can't just substract the time at 0W off and pretend it's a continuous effort cause you're refueling muscles and clearing lactic acid.

I'm fairly sure VAM to W/kg is just the starting point and then they crossreference with riders uploading their power on Strava

 

[Krzysztof_O]

You can't just substract the time at 0W off and pretend it's a continuous effort cause you're refueling muscles and clearing lactic acid.

I'm fairly sure VAM to W/kg is just the starting point and then they crossreference with riders uploading their power on Strava

OTOH one can't add additional kilometer of non-climbing and assume that average VAM won't drop. When riders were riding for few dozens of seconds on flattish section it wasn't total rest - even if power was below threshold they were still pushing almost without VAM and would've climbed some meters in this time. As for a short downhill, yes, a rest, but keep in mind that in this case a certain elevation gain had to be climbed twice (even if it's just 10-20 meters, it matters for the final result).

As for the second paragraph, maybe it's the way you say indeed. Extrapolation from known Strava data points to unknown Pogi's.

 

[Froome]

I think I mentioned it before but keep in mind about 1 km of nearly flat/downhill during the Grappa climb (and about 700 m of it in the last few km), which isn't typical for other, especially shorter climbs. I'm not sure about w/kg algorithm used (did they include it or not) but it's certain that VAM is affected by a few dozen of vertical meters: 1720 m/h for the whole climb translates to roughly 1760-1780 m/h of actual vertical speed (which is very impressive for a 50 minute effort and for an 8%+ climb usually indicates about 6.3 w/kg). For the last section relative VAM difference can be even bigger.

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[Taxus4a]

Basso smile about those *** VAMS...all the new preparation and superbikes for that? He did 1900...

 

[Peyroteo94]

I know he will do a training camp after the Giro but did he make any type of recon for Tour's stages?

 

[tobydawq]

I know he will do a training camp after the Giro but did he make any type of recon for Tour's stages?

Many of the stages are very close to home in Monaco, so yeah, most likely.

 

[Barkintheeye]

He’s doing both

Very short time between the Tour and the Olympics, only two weeks. Sounds quite hard with such a short recovery / prep for such a large event.

The Olympic course seems somewhat less hard than last year's WC race in Glasgow with 273K and 2800 alt mtrs vs 271K and 3570 alt mtrs yet it looks hard enough.

Will Pog prove to have an extraordinary recovery ability and still be competitive despite having (potentially) finished two grand tours within the duration of eleven weeks?

 

[Slavique Nuke]

I think he's only going to the Olympics to represent his country and do what he can on that day, not because he thinks he's in crazy good shape and can win the race.

 

[Lequack]

Backstage video from the Giro

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agkQVqLxkec

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations on winning the Giro in such fashion. For Slovenians and beyond last two Giro editions will always stay memorable and cycling fans from all spectrums should be satisfied.

Chapeau!

 

[scribers]

Very short time between the Tour and the Olympics, only two weeks. Sounds quite hard with such a short recovery / prep for such a large event.

The Olympic course seems somewhat less hard than last year's WC race in Glasgow with 273K and 2800 alt mtrs vs 271K and 3570 alt mtrs yet it looks hard enough.

Will Pog prove to have an extraordinary recovery ability and still be competitive despite having (potentially) finished two grand tours within the duration of eleven weeks?

Not seriously to contest. I wouldn't be surprised if he gives his spot up after the tour. He should

 

[Peyroteo94]

I have a strange feeling that Pogacar will wear yellow on day one and maintain until the end.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I have a strange feeling that Pogacar will wear yellow on day one and maintain until the end.

Hopefully it’s the same kind I had for Cav at the 2016 and 2021 Tour.

 

[Gigs_98]

Not seriously to contest. I wouldn't be surprised if he gives his spot up after the tour. He should

Are you guys crazy? He shouldn't even bother because in a race with a slightly harder parcours in exactly the same calendar slot he only got...third???

For what it's worth, I actually think the Paris route is better for him. He probably benefits from the climbs being slightly longer even if there are fewer of them.

 

[Red Rick]

Are you guys crazy? He shouldn't even bother because in a race with a slightly harder parcours in exactly the same calendar slot he only got...third???

For what it's worth, I actually think the Paris route is better for him. He probably benefits from the climbs being slightly longer even if there are fewer of them.

It depends on what you mean by better, but both are frankly just bad parcourses for him. But in Paris at least you can't say Van der Poel auto wins against him.

Olympics should be complete pandemonium though with such a small peloton from the start, and the favorite there for me is simply the Van Aert/Evenepoel combo

 

[SHAD0W93]

It depends on what you mean by better, but both are frankly just bad parcourses for him. But in Paris at least you can't say Van der Poel auto wins against him.

Olympics should be complete pandemonium though with such a small peloton from the start, and the favorite there for me is simply the Van Aert/Evenepoel combo

Add in no radios as well and things should hopefully be brutal.

 

[BubbaChuck]

For Pog on rest day.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I still don't know why Wellens is going to the Tour. He is a liability in hot weather and crash too much to be the main bodyguard (alongside Pollits) of Pogacar. Laengen should be there and not in the Giro.

 

[Valv.Piti]

UAE is just dicking a bit around in the teams selections, but it most likely will not matter that much anyways due to just having a superior rider riding against mediocre scrubs in the Giro and against past his prime Rogla, Remco and an out of shape Vinge

 

[SHAD0W93]

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Nice coffee and cake break then he thinks if he has the Giro legs for the Tour it’ll be fine.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Just try to push a bit in the pedals after the rest period lol

This guy's confidence is through the roof. Cannot blame him, he knows how he felt during the race and we could see how ridicously easy it was. Would give everything to have these kinda legs for just one days in the mountains

 

[Peyroteo94]

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Nice coffee and cake break then he thinks if he has the Giro legs for the Tour it’ll be fine.

It was clearly he hid his true level in the Giro.

 

[Gigs_98]

It depends on what you mean by better, but both are frankly just bad parcourses for him. But in Paris at least you can't say Van der Poel auto wins against him.

Olympics should be complete pandemonium though with such a small peloton from the start, and the favorite there for me is simply the Van Aert/Evenepoel combo

I agree about the Belgians being the favorites but you agree Pogacar absolutely has a chance to win, right? Aside from that, the Olympics are the one case where I rate second and third places extremely highly because the medals have an importance outside of the cycling world. In a country like Austria, and I would guess it's similar with Slovenia, you get the front page of the newspaper if you win bronze.

 

[Poursuivant]

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