Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[tobydawq]

“I’m gone, I’m dead” 7min and 29 s is not that big gap, you are right.

As if that reflected his normal level.

 

[mariosommelier]

“I’m gone, I’m dead” 7min and 29 s is not that big gap, you are right.

Pogacar has 3 TDF and 1 Giro, including a double this year, winning 6 stages in each GC.

If you want to compare Remco with him, go ahead.

I like Remco, he did an awesome feat yesterday, but the gap between him and Pogacar is massive.

You can mock all you want, but Remco is not winning any Grand Tour Pogacar is competing.

But of course he can fight for scraps in the GT Pogi decides not to run.

It doesn’t take anything away from him, he is a great great rider. But he is no Pogacar.

 

[mariosommelier]

Sure, that's why he wasn't at the Olympics

He wasn’t because he decided to take a stand for his girl.

I was disappointed, but I can sure understand.

Remco won the Olympics, good for him, he can only compete against who shows up, and he beat everyone. Congrats to him.

This year the World Championship route suits much more Pogacar than Remco or MVDP, 4000m of climbing. Let’s see if Remco can follow Pogacar there.

 

[Berniece]

He wasn’t because he decided to take a stand for his girl.

I was disappointed, but I can sure understand.

Remco won the Olympics, good for him, he can only compete against who shows up, and he beat everyone. Congrats to him.

This year the World Championship route suits much more Pogacar than Remco or MVDP, 4000m of climbing. Let’s see if Remco can follow Pogacar there.

Yeah Evenepoel only ever wins because others aren’t there, I’ve heard that story a couple of times now

 

[snipeheem]

Yeah Evenepoel only ever wins because others aren’t there, I’ve heard that story a couple of times now

Remco is the goat i agree with you, now i know why Pogi was scared to go to Olympics, remco is just way better than him.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yeah Evenepoel only ever wins because others aren’t there, I’ve heard that story a couple of times now

He didn't say that dude. But I can't wait to see him against Pogacar. This duel never happened when both of them are in top shape. Such a disgrace, we never saw this fight in Liege for 3 consecutive years.

 

[BubbaChuck]

if pog races its very different race.remco basically won with sneak attack after vdp was marked by van aart.belgium could go after bunch sprint or long range attack,thye played with house money.if pog was there,everybody marks him.belgium,dutch and denmark.slovenia would need to work from the start,while other teams wouldnot do ***.even vdp wouldnot attack,if pog is here.so pog needs to beat multiple teams to win.off course,if remco would be brave(no he wouldnot be) and attacked like yesterday,than its aesy gold for pog.but why would he.

 

[Berniece]

He didn't say that dude. But I can't wait to see him against Pogacar. This duel never happened when both of them are in top shape. Such a disgrace, we never saw this fight in Liege for 3 consecutive years.

He said he can only beat who was there, implicating that if Pogacar was there he wouldn’t beat him.

 

[hayneplane]

Not sure why Pog would be able to follow since it wasn’t his type of profile at all. He didn’t have to go to the Olympics because he wouldn’t stand a chance. Now that Remco wins he suddenly could? lol, Pogacar has never shown to win such a race, against these type of riders in such a manner.

No suddenly about it. I was saying he would win it before he pulled out for non sporting reasons.

If you think the man who won Flanders/Amstel/Strade and finished 3rd in Glasgow worlds last year a long way in front of Remco couldn’t win on this Paris parcours I really don’t think any evidence could persuade you.

I am a big fan of both rider and think both will go down as all time greats by the time they retire.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He said he can only beat who was there, implicating that if Pogacar was there he wouldn’t beat him.

We don't know, of course the race would be different but that's it. There is no point in debate if Pogi would win. He wasn't there so kudos for Remco for being the strongest.

 

[scribers]

Ciciban race

 

[Berniece]

No suddenly about it. I was saying he would win it before he pulled out for non sporting reasons.

If you think the man who won Flanders/Amstel/Strade and finished 3rd in Glasgow worlds last year a long way in front of Remco couldn’t win on this Paris parcours I really don’t think any evidence could persuade you.

I am a big fan of both rider and think both will go down as all time greats by the time they retire.

Those races have completely different profiles

 

[velaso montador]

Yeah like the gap between Vingegaard and Pogacar last year was impossible to close. If one rider can improve 10-15 % between 24 to 25, others can to?

For that to happen Pogacar needs to ride with a fracture then its close otherwice its not close like weve seen time and time again sorry if this surprised you when Vingegaard never been close to Pogacar when pogacar was 100% so if you expect to happen thats yeah.

Pogacar is just better on every terrain it is what it is and very soon Evenpoel will be better than Vingegaard too and reality is Vingegaard is likely closer to Evenepoel than he is Pogacar.

 

[velaso montador]

Vingegaard was better than every but clearly had zero chance and Pogacar just made meat of everyone in the mountains while Vingegaard beeing better than he ever was so yeah it is what it is it isnt exactly hard at all to figure out.

 

[BubbaChuck]

pog likes remco for varius reasons,but mostly his racing style.irony is that remco is basically like domestique to pogacar on flat or hills,not yet climbs,lol.remco literally gives you leadout on flat/hills,than pog can beat him on gradients or in sprint.remco was droppable yesterday on climbs,lol.remco hard pace is perfect for pog,its like having 1 teamate more.once remco gets stronger,this will work in tour too against vinge defensive style.its like having superdoms with great punch.nobody in uae has this.

 

[mariosommelier]

Yeah Evenepoel only ever wins because others aren’t there, I’ve heard that story a couple of times now

I didn't say that, but if you want to twist my words, go ahead.

Remco is not on the level of Pogacar, even he said that Pocagar is on a different level.

You don't need to be angry, he is an awesome rider, but he is not the new Merckx and he is no Pogacar whatsoever.

 

[proffate]

Not sure why Pog would be able to follow since it wasn’t his type of profile at all. He didn’t have to go to the Olympics because he wouldn’t stand a chance. Now that Remco wins he suddenly could? lol, Pogacar has never shown to win such a race, against these type of riders in such a manner.

Pog clearly stood a chance on this parcours, and it was a mistake to skip just because it wasn't optimal for him. Remco used the climbs to shed everyone, not sure why you think Pog couldn't possibly do better than Madouas. Would have been nice to watch this duel unfold at ogrr and then wcrr in the same season, with each course perhaps slightly more tilted to one than the other. But I guess even Pog has to take a break some time.

 

[mariosommelier]

He said he can only beat who was there, implicating that if Pogacar was there he wouldn’t beat him.

No, I didn't imply anything.
It was a compliment, you know?

But whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[mariosommelier]

Pog clearly stood a chance on this parcours, and it was a mistake to skip just because it wasn't optimal for him. Remco used the climbs to shed everyone, not sure why you think Pog couldn't possibly do better than Madouas. Would have been nice to watch this duel unfold at ogrr and then wcrr in the same season, with each course perhaps slightly more tilted to one than the other. But I guess even Pog has to take a break some time.

It was an error, IMHO.

But he wanted to support his girl, and I am ok with that.

 

[Rou]

I see the Remco fanboy club has arrived here. Remco did a historical achievement with this Olympic double but let's be real. First of all he was not the strongest yesterday - MVDP was. Or you guys missed how Matthieu destroyed him the very first time they went up the cobbled climb? He won the race the same way like in Wollongong - with a surprise attack when people didn't react.
Second, do you guys remember how some posters here were hyping van der Poel to smash Pog in LBL after he did the Flanders - Roubaix double. Well we all saw what happened in Liege.
Now some dreamers are thinking that Remco is a threat to Pogacar in World's. Well, you are about to be hit by the reality truck when we get to Zurich this year. When the real alpha dog of the Peloton arrives.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don't know if he could win, Remco benefits a lot from having WVA in his team. Remco didn't follow MVP so he conserved energy to deliver a sneak attack that no one could follow after MVP's attack. Belgium played real well,once again.

 

[scribers]

Remco was luck merchant

 

[Berniece]

I didn't say that, but if you want to twist my words, go ahead.

Remco is not on the level of Pogacar, even he said that Pocagar is on a different level.

You don't need to be angry, he is an awesome rider, but he is not the new Merckx and he is no Pogacar whatsoever.

Remco said he isn’t at the same level in the Tour. Not the same as single day races

 

[Peyroteo94]

Remco said he isn’t at the same level in the Tour. Not the same as single daoi9iWe have to wait for Zurich and Lombardia.

Until now, Pogacar has 6 monuments, 0 WC and 0 Olympics.
Remco has 4 big wins, 2 monuments, 1 WC and 1 Olympics. I don't count TT as big wins.
They are very close to each other in palmares and this final year will be important to dictate the number one in one day races. I think Pogacar will have the edge but we have to wait.

 

[Berniece]

Until now, Pogacar has 6 monuments, 0 WC and 0 Olympics.
Remco has 4 big wins, 2 monuments, 1 WC and 1 Olympics. I don't count TT as big wins.
They are very close to each other in palmares and this final year will be important to dictate the number one in one day races. I think Pogacar will have the edge but we have to wait.

I do count TT’s as big wins when you are so small