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UAE has no risk of concern. They can sign as many riders as they can find to as long as contracts as they wish
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Of course, but 2030? A three year contract makes sense. But not six years. I suppose it is a function of UAE's deep pockets. They can afford to take a gamble.
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Not many realise that Mary-Kate & Ashley (the Olsen twins) are dizygotic.
EDIT: I think it's possible to mistakenly classify identical twins as fraternal twins, but I don't know how often that happens. You'll need a DNA test to be absolutely sure.
EDIT: I think it's possible to mistakenly classify identical twins as fraternal twins, but I don't know how often that happens. You'll need a DNA test to be absolutely sure.
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They want the next Pogacar to be on their roster so they buy and give long contracts to young talents like Torres, Ayuso, Del Toro
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The forum requires a dna testBecause you all love to be confidently wrong, I'll have to actually show the receit to be right (again)
Twin Engines: Up close with the Yates brothers | Cyclingnews.com
Simon and Adam from Bury to the WorldTourwww.cyclingnews.com
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You are missing the point. Why 6 years - that is huge risk IMO. Del Toro has done nothing yet. And with Ayuso UAE and Pogacar would be much better off without him. Would you want to ever depend upon his support?
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If toro shids to bed uae sends him to a different team and pays the difference in the contract. Sponsored by your trip to the fuel pump.
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Actually their style on the bike is very different. Adam sits pretty straight up on the bike, Simon has a much more aero style on the hoods and when he goes out of the sadle he very often goes into the drops.
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Ride exactly the same with similar capacities.
Just different mothers
Just different mothers
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The is not really based in reality.. Del Toro is a 20 year old from the 3rd world. He signed a extension until 2029, so an additional 5 years. Del Toro obviously has impressed UAE management and teammates. He had 3 wins in his first season, got combative jersey on a day in Vuelta, his first year and completed his first grand tour.
Raced outstanding in U23 Worlds. Again, 1st year and turning in respectable ITT times. He was racing well at gravel worlds until he crashed out. Fairly significant because the crash resulted in cancellation of China debut.
But in all sports long term contracts are a crap shoot. Will Pogacar gamble pay off? Will other extensions that UAE did w multiple 20 year olds on their team pay off?
If one of the 20 signed somethings on UAE turns towards stardom, the bet pays out because the near children, sign long term deals for what is to them significant money, but if something goes well their market value will likely increase and UAE will look to have got them on the cheap. Pogacar could crash, pop something out of place and never race again tomorrow, today nobody knows. Ineos is a living example, Egan Bernal was flying high until he crashed into a bus, certainly not game over but Ineos team trajectory has dramatically changed, budget yet to be adjusted has team in absolute turmoil. Signed a long term expensive contract for a captain who can't currently do the job. All scenarios can play out anywhere.
I personally find confidence and extended contracts for Baroncini, Christian, Del Toro,Fisher-Black,Morgado and a couple others great strategic moves. But especially for the market and branding. UAE and others pressing hard for races and markets outside Europe, like a UAE tour and races in China. They are signing significant firepower for all year worldwide. Again personally, I found Del Toro racing in January and all the way through October maybe too long for debut season, but the people who are paid to know, paid to train and chart his progress saying the more the merrier.
But to your original point ,justified risk, UAE is with Del Toro daily and they see something worth the investment. And in the most profound observation point in the world, UAE can compare any of their racers w Pogacar as reference baseline, other squads use Strava or race results, UAE can ride groups together and evaluate what riders look like compared to TDF, WC.
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I’m sorry but how are Simon and Adam not identical twins? When talking about fraternal twins, the chances of two children looking so much alike is exactly the same as the chances of two ordinary non-twin brothers at the same age. My brother and sister are fraternal twins. My nieces as well. I would never guess they are twins…
And as far as I’ve been able two understand, there’s one source claiming they are fraternal twins based on very poor arguments (noses pointing in different directions could very well be environmental impact) against many sources claiming they are identical. Why should we choose to trust that source over other sources?
And as far as I’ve been able two understand, there’s one source claiming they are fraternal twins based on very poor arguments (noses pointing in different directions could very well be environmental impact) against many sources claiming they are identical. Why should we choose to trust that source over other sources?
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I think if the one source is Adam and Simon themselves having stated that "We are not identical", then that one source would be the more reliable.
Anyway; @Armchair Cyclist, maybe this twin discussion should be moved to the Yates thread? I don't think it matters much for Pogacar, he'll hopefully be able to know which one is his teammate.
Regarding Del Toro I think the long term investment is justified because, given he was on a Mexican club team and not a world tour development team, it is highly likely that he has barely scratched the surface of his innate potential.
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EDIT:
Yeah, I had a brainfart. I should have said bNator's sister's daughters. It'd be a coincidence if they were the daughters of the twin-brother.
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That's cousins... Nieces are sibling's daughters.
Seems twins just run in that family.
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If every off topic post would be moved by Armchair, he would not have a life to live.
But I must say I'm curious to see if Simon can reach his 2018 level under Visma training. Would be fun seeing the battle of Pogacar vs Vingegaard and Adam vs Simon
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The discussion is of the brother as climbing domestiques for pog and Vingo and if a change in scenery can make Simon as effective. To move it to a different thread is a drive by comment
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Actually, I was not being completely correct here, the nieces are in fact my wife's nieces, so not in the family in this case. There are a lot of fraternal twins these days due to In-Vitro-Fertilization...
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