The only one I can imagine becoming another GOAT is Pablo Torres. Beating the Froome record on Finestre by few minutes is something big and unusual for 18 year old, but he is Pog teammate and will work for him in the next few years.
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The only one I can imagine becoming another GOAT is Pablo Torres. Beating the Froome record on Finestre by few minutes is something big and unusual for 18 year old, but he is Pog teammate and will work for him in the next few years. Pog is also his idol so he won’t be another Ayuso.
Problem is healthy debate in this forum is now hard to come by as Pog’s dominance is too much.
I don’t hate him for it I’m just grateful to witness it.
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Gonne be fun watching the kid to see how far he can reach but theres so many talents and not all take that next leap even, see it across all sports all the time. Becoming a GT legend like lets say,Contador, Froome etc etc is already hard enough and your kinda beating all odds already then, getting to that level puts you in elite company but getting close to Pog and Merckx and winning GT's and flemish classics in this DNA is a whole other galaxy again - completely different.
Its condradicting in so many way to be a monster in GT and climb like a beast where every KG counts then going and compete and having enough strength to win classics like Strade, RVV etc, nvm in the fashion Pog does I will eat my hat if he even get remotely close to that and chances are more or less the same as me going on date with Maddison Beer.
We most likely never gonne see it in our lifetime again, anything like him and his career so far thats just the bitz of it, doing 100km solo as main fav in WC vs a entire peloton and all the best and same year crushing all climbing records of all time while doing the Giro-Tour double, ill eat my hat if anyone gets close,
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Indeed thats true sure, cause the dominance is to much and clear, but thats a small problem in the bigger scheme of things isnt it.
Yeah I as you are also incredible grateful to being able to watch it live as we wont have anything like it soon and when he is done its just gonne be tales about him, thats just the reality of this situation.
Looking forward to watching him this year but also seeing if Paul Seixas can give the French something to dream about and if Albert Withen Philipsen can be the next classics God.
To be fair it is not much easier for heavier climbers either haha ...
Can't really get worse that the current cross races. But today's was pretty good. Diegem's always a favorite.
Which era has really allowed lightweight climbers to shine?
Carapaz, Yates', Vingegaard, Mas, Hindley... aren't weaker than the lightweight colombians 10 years ago.
They are arguably more successful than them as well.
In the Froome era (until 2019), lightweight climbers were closer to win a GT than nowadays.
Simon Yates (not now), Carapaz (not now), Quintana (not now), Aru, etc
But none of the riders you mentioned has been close to winning a Tour (bar Quintana but you have Vingegaard now) and Pogacar has one only 1 non Tour GT, so it's not Pogacar's level making it hard for lightweight climbers as you tried to claim.
It's actually Roglic sweeping the Vuelta (where the above mentioned lightweight climbers won a GT).
Bardet was never close to win a Tour as well.
And Bernal is an exception, not a rule.
Point stays, it's not "Pogacar's level making it hard for 58kg lightweight climbers to shine" as lightweight climbers rarely win a Tour historically.
You can blame/praise Roglic for that as I said.
He could keep up with Froome sometimes. Now they are losing minutes in every single mountain stage. But We agree to disagree
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As I said the Tour has never really been a race for lightweight climbers, it's not like they won Tour after Tour and suddenly Pogacar arrived. And now you have one who is a lot better than everyone you mentioned .
Really don't know what we have to disagree on.
Lightweight climbers nowadays aren't worse than the ones 10 years ago. Perhaps they don't win as much, but that's not because of Pogacar as you claimed, but mainly because of Roglic
So they are not as successful as they were 5/10 years ago. Due to Pogacar, Roglic, I don't care. They are not competitive anymore, not even in mountain stages.
View: https://x.com/mou55981652/status/1873415426442670249?s=46
According to this there is a chance Pog will show up in Roubaix.
According to this there is a chance Pog will show up in Roubaix.
Yes, they are competitive. Hindley won a Giro, Vingegaard 2 tours, Mas is a constant podium in the Vuelta, Bernal would be there as well if not for injuries.
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