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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Peyroteo94

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hayneplane said:
Mediocre is a very generous description
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I think it's too early.
In fact only Vingegaard has been disappointing because I expected his base level to be strong enough to beat everyone bar Pogacar in over 6/7 minutes climbs.
- Kuss is never reliable in the spring.
- Matteo has been really good just like last year.
Yates is probably undercooked and he is peaking for the Giro. Most gc riders who will target the Giro, are very underwhelming now. This is why Ayuso looks too hot IMHO.
- Keldermann is a very strange rider, we never know what to expect from him.
- Cian is what he used to be. A early peaker.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
I think it's too early.
In fact only Vingegaard has been disappointing because I expected his base level to be strong enough to beat everyone bar Pogacar in over 6/7 minutes climbs.
- Kuss is never reliable in the spring.
- Matteo has been really good just like last year.
Yates is probably undercooked and he is peaking for the Giro. Most gc riders who will target the Giro, are very underwhelming now. This is why Ayuso looks too hot IMHO.
- Keldermann is a very strange rider, we never know what to expect from him.
- Cian is what he used to be. A early peaker.
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Tiberi and Gee are both targeting the Giro and both looked good in TA in relation to what you can expect from them. Landa and Hindley were also decent enough considering they are better 3 week racers than 1 week. It’s only the Yates brothers that have shown nothing yet and Roglic who has yet to pin on a race number this year.
 
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Tiberi and Gee are both targeting the Giro and both looked good in TA in relation to what you can expect from them. Landa and Hindley were also decent enough considering they are better 3 week racers than 1 week. It’s only the Yates brothers that have shown nothing yet and Roglic who has yet to pin on a race number this year.
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Roglic has put on a number, but telling that you missed it.
 
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Armchair Cyclist said:
And who has said anything even vaguely analogous to that?
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Krzysztof_O said:
MSR is the only race that Teddy keeps racing and can't win and that's why it's to attractive to many.
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Because this cannot be an argument to validate a opinion. It is not fair to have and maintain a route just because a rider like Pogacar can't win. If he didn't participate, all the joy of this route would be gone?
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Because this cannot be an argument to validate a opinion. It is not fair to have and maintain a route just because a rider like Pogacar can't win. If he didn't participate, all the joy of this route would be gone?
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I've already expressed my opinion: MSR is the most attractive race in terms of options to win by various types of riders. As for my previous comment, it wasn't anti-Pogacar but anti-dominance. MSR probably looks more attractive nowadays because it's the only race that the modern cannibal can't win (depite trying) and therefore it has great suspence. This is a pretty normal reaction of neutral fans. BTW, make no mistake, I'd like Teddy to win MSR one day.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
I've already expressed my opinion: MSR is the most attractive race in terms of options to win by various types of riders. As for my previous comment, it wasn't anti-Pogacar but anti-dominance. MSR probably looks more attractive nowadays because it's the only race that the modern cannibal can't win (depite trying) and therefore it has great suspence. This is a pretty normal reaction of neutral fans. BTW, make no mistake, I'd like Teddy to win MSR one day.
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I agree but with Manie this wouldn't change and the race would be more entertaining for a longer period of time.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
I agree but with Manie this wouldn't change and the race would be more entertaining for a longer period of time.
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It has also been in the race before, so it wouldnt change much at all. Could see the organiser adding it, in the future. Then they could probably remove it again at some point. Like this race has done that sort of stuff throughout its history. Far less than the other monuments. It wouldnt be strange at all.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Because this cannot be an argument to validate a opinion. It is not fair to have and maintain a route just because a rider like Pogacar can't win. If he didn't participate, all the joy of this route would be gone?
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But you were trying to equate it with fundamentally distorting the very nature of a long established and successful event.

Which nobody has proposed, in terms of the Tour or any other event, with the purpose of preventing Pogacar from winning.

They indeed should not change the Giro to 21 sprint stages so that Milan can win it. The proposal would be grotesque should anyone make it. But they are not.


You seem to be accusing them of maintaining the route just because a rider like Pogacar can't win. (Nibali says hello) Have you any evidence that this is the sole motivation for not changing? Is that any different from claiming that they have maintained mountains in Il Lombardia "just because a rider like Milan can't win"?
 
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But you were trying to equate it with fundamentally distorting the very nature of a long established and successful event.

Which nobody has proposed, in terms of the Tour or any other event, with the purpose of preventing Pogacar from winning.

They indeed should not change the Giro to 21 sprint stages so that Milan can win it. The proposal would be grotesque should anyone make it. But they are not.
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100 km flat TT so Remco can win the Tour.
 
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Armchair Cyclist said:
But you were trying to equate it with fundamentally distorting the very nature of a long established and successful event.

Which nobody has proposed, in terms of the Tour or any other event, with the purpose of preventing Pogacar from winning.

They indeed should not change the Giro to 21 sprint stages so that Milan can win it. The proposal would be grotesque should anyone make it. But they are not.
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But it wouldn't be the first Giro changed "his nature" to increase the chance of seeing italians winning the race (Moser). Vuelta designed a route to benefit Valverde.
MSR wanted to go to Pompeiana (5 years ago) but not now. This route is not a winning formula and for that reason, they wanted to change the course 5 years ago. They only maintain this route for a reason and this is not because it is a winning formula.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
But it wouldn't be the first Giro changed "his nature" to increase the chance of seeing italians winning the race (Moser). Vuelta designed a route to benefit Valverde.
MSR wanted to go to Pompeiana (5 years ago) but not now. This route is not a winning formula and for that reason, they wanted to change the course 5 years ago. They only maintain this route for a reason and this is not because it is a winning formula.
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11 years ago. And thank God Pompeiana never featured.

The only good thing that came from the aborted route change was the return to Via Roma from 2015.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
But it wouldn't be the first Giro changed "his nature" to increase the chance of seeing italians winning the race (Moser). Vuelta designed a route to benefit Valverde.
MSR wanted to go to Pompeiana (5 years ago) but not now. This route is not a winning formula and for that reason, they wanted to change the course 5 years ago. They only maintain this route for a reason and this is not because it is a winning formula.
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It has been an exciting race in the last few editions: why would they change it?

And how is not changing an event from its traditional characteristics analogous to radically changing one away from its fundamental nature?
 
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Armchair Cyclist said:
It has been an exciting race in the last few editions: why would they change it?

And how is not changing an event from its traditional characteristics analogous to radically changing one away from its fundamental nature?
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I can't agree with you on this one. It is like saying FW is exciting because we have 10 minutes of action.
There is no point in turning on the TV before the last 10 km in MSR and we have 4 hours of live coverage there.
 
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