Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[MerkantilMerch]

Honestly stage 13 of the Vuelta looks absolutely epic.
202 km, 3 climbs, with a mtf on the Angliru, hardest climb in Europe.

If Pogi is in shape, he is going to send it...

 

[MJR]

Interesting to see the differences in mental strength of Pogi vs Vingegaard at this point of the season.

Pogi hits the deck in Strade, gets back up and roars to the win.

Vingegaard hits the deck in P-N and taps out quickly despite only scrapes.

 

[Monsi]

Interesting to see the differences in mental strength of Pogi vs Vingegaard at this point of the season.

Pogi hits the deck in Strade, gets back up and roars to the win.

Vingegaard hits the deck in P-N and taps out quickly despite only scrapes.

Jonas couldn't brake properly. He was injured. Pogi was not. That was the difference. It's nothing mental.

 

[kn0s]

Interesting to see the differences in mental strength of Pogi vs Vingegaard at this point of the season.

Pogi hits the deck in Strade, gets back up and roars to the win.

Vingegaard hits the deck in P-N and taps out quickly despite only scrapes.

Yes, that is what happened. There was no difference at all.

 

[kn0s]

Tiberi and Gee are both targeting the Giro and both looked good in TA in relation to what you can expect from them. Landa and Hindley were also decent enough considering they are better 3 week racers than 1 week. It’s only the Yates brothers that have shown nothing yet and Roglic who has yet to pin on a race number this year.

Roglic has put on a number, but telling that you missed it.

 

[Berniece]

Interesting to see the differences in mental strength of Pogi vs Vingegaard at this point of the season.

Pogi hits the deck in Strade, gets back up and roars to the win.

Vingegaard hits the deck in P-N and taps out quickly despite only scrapes.

Different type of injuries.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Jonas couldn't brake properly. He was injured. Pogi was not. That was the difference. It's nothing mental.

To be honest, I think it was more than a simple injury in his hand. After all the rain, cold and the neutralization of the stage Almeida won, he didn't want to continue.

 

[Peyroteo94]

And who has said anything even vaguely analogous to that?

MSR is the only race that Teddy keeps racing and can't win and that's why it's to attractive to many.

Because this cannot be an argument to validate a opinion. It is not fair to have and maintain a route just because a rider like Pogacar can't win. If he didn't participate, all the joy of this route would be gone?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Because this cannot be an argument to validate a opinion. It is not fair to have and maintain a route just because a rider like Pogacar can't win. If he didn't participate, all the joy of this route would be gone?

I've already expressed my opinion: MSR is the most attractive race in terms of options to win by various types of riders. As for my previous comment, it wasn't anti-Pogacar but anti-dominance. MSR probably looks more attractive nowadays because it's the only race that the modern cannibal can't win (depite trying) and therefore it has great suspence. This is a pretty normal reaction of neutral fans. BTW, make no mistake, I'd like Teddy to win MSR one day.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I've already expressed my opinion: MSR is the most attractive race in terms of options to win by various types of riders. As for my previous comment, it wasn't anti-Pogacar but anti-dominance. MSR probably looks more attractive nowadays because it's the only race that the modern cannibal can't win (depite trying) and therefore it has great suspence. This is a pretty normal reaction of neutral fans. BTW, make no mistake, I'd like Teddy to win MSR one day.

I agree but with Manie this wouldn't change and the race would be more entertaining for a longer period of time.

 

[Netserk]

Interesting to see the differences in mental strength of Pogi vs Vingegaard at this point of the season.

Pogi hits the deck in Strade, gets back up and roars to the win.

Vingegaard hits the deck in P-N and taps out quickly despite only scrapes.

It was mental weakness that had Pogi abandon the '23 Liège?

 

[Berniece]

I agree but with Manie this wouldn't change and the race would be more entertaining for a longer period of time.

Don't change a winning formula, an Italian race was already butchered by making it harder

 

[Salvarani]

It was mental weakness that had Pogi abandon the '23 Liège?

He actually suffered a fracture.

 

[Salvarani]

I agree but with Manie this wouldn't change and the race would be more entertaining for a longer period of time.

It has also been in the race before, so it wouldnt change much at all. Could see the organiser adding it, in the future. Then they could probably remove it again at some point. Like this race has done that sort of stuff throughout its history. Far less than the other monuments. It wouldnt be strange at all.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Because this cannot be an argument to validate a opinion. It is not fair to have and maintain a route just because a rider like Pogacar can't win. If he didn't participate, all the joy of this route would be gone?

But you were trying to equate it with fundamentally distorting the very nature of a long established and successful event.

Which nobody has proposed, in terms of the Tour or any other event, with the purpose of preventing Pogacar from winning.

They indeed should not change the Giro to 21 sprint stages so that Milan can win it. The proposal would be grotesque should anyone make it. But they are not.


You seem to be accusing them of maintaining the route just because a rider like Pogacar can't win. (Nibali says hello) Have you any evidence that this is the sole motivation for not changing? Is that any different from claiming that they have maintained mountains in Il Lombardia "just because a rider like Milan can't win"?

 

[AmRacer]

But you were trying to equate it with fundamentally distorting the very nature of a long established and successful event.

Which nobody has proposed, in terms of the Tour or any other event, with the purpose of preventing Pogacar from winning.

They indeed should not change the Giro to 21 sprint stages so that Milan can win it. The proposal would be grotesque should anyone make it. But they are not.

100 km flat TT so Remco can win the Tour.

 

[Peyroteo94]

But you were trying to equate it with fundamentally distorting the very nature of a long established and successful event.

Which nobody has proposed, in terms of the Tour or any other event, with the purpose of preventing Pogacar from winning.

They indeed should not change the Giro to 21 sprint stages so that Milan can win it. The proposal would be grotesque should anyone make it. But they are not.

But it wouldn't be the first Giro changed "his nature" to increase the chance of seeing italians winning the race (Moser). Vuelta designed a route to benefit Valverde.
MSR wanted to go to Pompeiana (5 years ago) but not now. This route is not a winning formula and for that reason, they wanted to change the course 5 years ago. They only maintain this route for a reason and this is not because it is a winning formula.

 

[Netserk]

But it wouldn't be the first Giro changed "his nature" to increase the chance of seeing italians winning the race (Moser). Vuelta designed a route to benefit Valverde.
MSR wanted to go to Pompeiana (5 years ago) but not now. This route is not a winning formula and for that reason, they wanted to change the course 5 years ago. They only maintain this route for a reason and this is not because it is a winning formula.

11 years ago. And thank God Pompeiana never featured.

The only good thing that came from the aborted route change was the return to Via Roma from 2015.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

But it wouldn't be the first Giro changed "his nature" to increase the chance of seeing italians winning the race (Moser). Vuelta designed a route to benefit Valverde.
MSR wanted to go to Pompeiana (5 years ago) but not now. This route is not a winning formula and for that reason, they wanted to change the course 5 years ago. They only maintain this route for a reason and this is not because it is a winning formula.

It has been an exciting race in the last few editions: why would they change it?

And how is not changing an event from its traditional characteristics analogous to radically changing one away from its fundamental nature?

 

[Peyroteo94]

11 years ago. And thank God Pompeiana never featured.

The only good thing that came from the aborted route change was the return to Via Roma from 2015.

Jesus Christ, time flies!

 

[Peyroteo94]

It has been an exciting race in the last few editions: why would they change it?

And how is not changing an event from its traditional characteristics analogous to radically changing one away from its fundamental nature?

I can't agree with you on this one. It is like saying FW is exciting because we have 10 minutes of action.
There is no point in turning on the TV before the last 10 km in MSR and we have 4 hours of live coverage there.

 

[Berniece]

I can't agree with you on this one. It is like saying FW is exciting because we have 10 minutes of action.
There is no point in turning on the TV before the last 10 km in MSR and we have 4 hours of live coverage there.

You clearly don't understand the appeal of MSR

 

[Salvarani]

100 km flat TT so Remco can win the Tour.

They are also working on a solution for the Tour to take place in Spain, so Roglic might be able to win.

 

[hayneplane]

Roglic has put on a number, but telling that you missed it.

Oops yes. Algarve where he got spankwd in the TT and was mid at best on Foia.

 

[hayneplane]

You clearly don't understand the appeal of MSR

It’s a great event primarily for its position in the calendar as the opening monument of the season.

If you swapped it with Lombardia the level of hype and prestige of both races would swap over entirely.

MSR is a curiosity in that it is simultaneously the longest race in the calendar and the one most suited to the YouTube era where a highlights video can safely just show the last 30km of the race in full and rarely miss anything of note.

I love it but if people are being honest it is a great final but not a great race overall as it is not must watch from start to finish like Flanders or Roubaix.