Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Cookster15]

The Cipressa trap - Caleb Ewan thinks its best for UAE to ride Cipressa easy and save everything for the Poggio? I tend to disagree but this all confirms why this race is so difficult for a rider like Pogacar to win when he is so heavily watched.

The Cipressa trap - How Tadej Pogačar could win or lose Milan-San Remo on the key climb

'I'm getting so close but it's so far, it's unbelievable' Pogačar said of his struggle to win La Classicissima

www.cyclingnews.com

if UAE and Pogačar race hard, especially on the Cipressa, it could leave them tired and exposed on the Poggio, when the decisive attacks so often come

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The Cipressa trap - Caleb Ewan thinks its best for UAE to ride Cipressa easy and save everything for the Poggio? I tend to disagree but this all confirms why this race is so difficult for a rider like Pogacar to win when he is so heavily watched.

The Cipressa trap - How Tadej Pogačar could win or lose Milan-San Remo on the key climb

'I'm getting so close but it's so far, it's unbelievable' Pogačar said of his struggle to win La Classicissima

www.cyclingnews.com

Today I watched all Pog's attacks on Poggio in the last 3 editions. Some of them were very strong and yet he couldn't get a decisive gap. It's especially difficult vs MVP (who's the biggest problem as he's also stronger in the section after Poggio top) but there are also a few other guys who are able to minimize the gap and catch Pog downhill. I really don't know if Poggio alone is enough to separate Pog from the rest. They may try thermonuclear pace and attack on Cipressa indeed.

 

[James M]

Today I watched all Pog's attacks on Poggio in the last 3 editions. Some of them were very strong and yet he couldn't get a decisive gap. It's especially difficult vs MVP (who's the biggest problem as he's also stronger in the section after Poggio top) but there are also a few other guys who are able to minimize the gap and catch Pog downhill. I really don't know if Poggio alone is enough to separate Pog from the rest. They may try thermonuclear pace and attack on Cipressa indeed.

They have tried Poggio. It's almost impossible to go faster up there too besides 1-3sec, and the drag is too beneficial.

For that reason, to me, he will go at Cipressa, even though it's unlikely and, as far as I know, has never been done. Every sign points towards it—''we will try something new'' He will send it.

 

[rafa92]

are we underestimating pog's chances in a sprint from a reduced group? last year he was not too far from philipsen who's supposed to be a pure sprinter and he clearly beat pedersen. Plus this year he rides the new bike, personally I don't like it and I believe msr will be the only big race in which he's gonna use it. But if he's using it for msr it means that they believe it gill give him something more in a sprint (because on cipressa and probably also poggio the bike will probably be a negative, in fact I expect all his teammates, who won't have to sprint, to use v4rs).

 

[Krzysztof_O]

are we underestimating pog's chances in a sprint from a reduced group? last year he was not too far from philipsen who's supposed to be a pure sprinter and he clearly beat pedersen. Plus this year he rides the new bike, personally I don't like it and I believe msr will be the only big race in which he's gonna use it. But if he's using it for msr it means that they believe it gill give him something more in a sprint (because on cipressa and probably also poggio the bike will probably be a negative, in fact I expect all his teammates, who won't have to sprint, to use v4rs).

Depends what kind of group we are talking about. MVP and Matthews will be clearly favoured against Pog.

 

[rafa92]

According to the newest NWP forecasts there's a good chance of rain in late afternoon in the area.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPIT12_54_4.png

yes also the ones I have seen predict some rain in late afternoon but the problem is in that late, it means from 6-7 pm, they will arrive earlier than that

 

[Krzysztof_O]

yes also the ones I have seen predict some rain in late afternoon but the problem is in that late, it means from 6-7 pm, they will arrive earlier than that

The map I gave is for 4-7 PM interval plus even before some rain (likely start around 3-4 PM but it's not certain OFC).

 

[Red Rick]

are we underestimating pog's chances in a sprint from a reduced group? last year he was not too far from philipsen who's supposed to be a pure sprinter and he clearly beat pedersen. Plus this year he rides the new bike, personally I don't like it and I believe msr will be the only big race in which he's gonna use it. But if he's using it for msr it means that they believe it gill give him something more in a sprint (because on cipressa and probably also poggio the bike will probably be a negative, in fact I expect all his teammates, who won't have to sprint, to use v4rs).

Maybe, I think the strongest on the Poggio tend to overperform in the Via Roma sprint, but it's still a weird one. There's no real leadout and you need to get the right draft at the right time.

Pogacar basically started on Philipsens wheel and he didn't gain any ground from that while Pedersen had to come all the way around after misplacing himself completely

 

[Unchained]

Maybe, I think the strongest on the Poggio tend to overperform in the Via Roma sprint, but it's still a weird one. There's no real leadout and you need to get the right draft at the right time.

Pogacar basically started on Philipsens wheel and he didn't gain any ground from that while Pedersen had to come all the way around after misplacing himself completely

Has that played out before? I have not seen all of races, but for Pogacar to sprint against Philipsen, Pedersen and not get humiliated sounds impressive..
I personally find Pogacar sprint style to look like Alberto Contador.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Has that played out before? I have not seen all of races, but for Pogacar to sprint against Philipsen, Pedersen and not get humiliated sounds impressive..
I personally find Pogacar sprint style to look like Alberto Contador.

Pogacar beat Pedersen in two important sprints they contested: MSR'24 and WC'23. Both times the 3rd place was at stake.

 

[Red Rick]

Pogacar beat Pedersen in two important sprints they contested: MSR'24 and WC'23. Both times the 3rd place was at stake.

WC was just another one of them stupid ones where Pedersen pulls the full final km, then launches the sprint from very far out and Pog just beats him at the line.

If you rewatch Sanremo 24, Pogacar really isn't close at all to winning. But he is fast enough to hold the wheel to come out in the final 50m if you go from too far, like Pedersen loves to do, or how Van Aert almost bottled his patented silver medal in Tokyo

 

[Krzysztof_O]

WC was just another one of them stupid ones where Pedersen pulls the full final km, then launches the sprint from very far out and Pog just beats him at the line.

If you rewatch Sanremo 24, Pogacar really isn't close at all to winning. But he is fast enough to hold the wheel to come out in the final 50m if you go from too far, like Pedersen loves to do, or how Van Aert almost bottled his patented silver medal in Tokyo

Not saying Pogacar is faster in terms of pure speed but pointing out real races results, which depend also on decisions, tactics etc. Pogacar is not in lost position against Pedersen in a real race (as those examples show) but I definitely regard MVP, Matthews and Philipsen (if ready, which is doubtful) to be way superior.

 

[Tim Cahill]

What will work to Pogacar's benefit in a sprint is the fact that Ganna and I think Pedersen too are both about to panic jump and full-Gaviria this from about 350 out, both are dumb as rocks, just follow one of them two.

 

[kn0s]

Pogacar beat Pedersen in two important sprints they contested: MSR'24 and WC'23. Both times the 3rd place was at stake.

These two sprints are brought up alot in this context. If you look at them, they seem more like Mads messing up, than difference in straight up sprint strength.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar needs a partner to cooperate with him after Cipressa. Right now, is the only way I see him winning MSR.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pogacar needs a partner to cooperate with him after Cipressa. Right now, is the only way I see him winning MSR.

Pogi + Pippo dream attack!

 

[snipeheem]

Pogacar needs a partner to cooperate with him after Cipressa. Right now, is the only way I see him winning MSR.

He will be alone after Cipressa

 

[QueenStagiaire]

He will be alone after Cipressa

That would be unfortunate because he will need at least one other rider with him to hold off the chasing groups, otherwise he won‘t have enough left for the Poggio, I‘ll bet.

 

[Netserk]

Pogacar basically started on Philipsens wheel and he didn't gain any ground from that while Pedersen had to come all the way around after misplacing himself completely

It was embarrassing to watch. He was led out by Stuyven and could choose where to go, and the correct decision with the wind from his right side was to sprint along the barriers to the left. Yet he took the right side of the road.

 

[Shortcut]

are we underestimating pog's chances in a sprint from a reduced group? last year he was not too far from philipsen who's supposed to be a pure sprinter and he clearly beat pedersen. Plus this year he rides the new bike, personally I don't like it and I believe msr will be the only big race in which he's gonna use it. But if he's using it for msr it means that they believe it gill give him something more in a sprint (because on cipressa and probably also poggio the bike will probably be a negative, in fact I expect all his teammates, who won't have to sprint, to use v4rs).

I think he can beat one or two of best sprinters (Philiphsen, Mathews, Pedersen or MvDP), but not all of them. I want him to try on Cipressa but if he doesn't go there it would be funniest thing -him not attacking at all, even on Poggio. It would be pure comedy and chaos everybody waiting his attack but he does nothing.

 

[Red Rick]

It was embarrassing to watch. He was led out by Stuyven and could choose where to go, and the correct decision with the wind from his right side was to sprint along the barriers to the left. Yet he took the right side of the road.

Is that Mads "other riders are stupid" Pedersen you're ranting about?

 

[scribers]

That would be unfortunate because he will need at least one other rider with him to hold off the chasing groups, otherwise he won‘t have enough left for the Poggio, I‘ll bet.

No one will work with him anyhow. So he might as well be alone. A 20 rider composition behind him is not bringing him back as they won't want to drag the group of favorites to him.

 

[Netserk]

Is that Mads "other riders are stupid" Pedersen you're ranting about?

It's like watching a discount Van Aert. I guess that's what you get in Lidl rather than Jumbo.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It's like watching a discount Van Aert. I guess that's what you get in Lidl rather than Jumbo.

There's still one thing the poor man's Wout has and the silver Wout dreams about!

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

There's still one thing the poor man's Wout has and the silver Wout dreams about!

That's probably because Lidl could just buy Jumbo if it wanted to?!?!?