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Jan the Man

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I would have Pederson and MVP as clearer favourites than Pog.

I have Pog in the second set of favoutites with Ganna, Pidcock, Matthews and Philipsen (Philipsen may not have recovered though).

His best bet may be to try and launch on Cipressa and hope a 5/6 others join him and work with him and then hope he is strongest on Poggio and the work others do has cost them.

Given Ganna, Pederson and MvP form as well as Pidcock i have a hard time to see him being able to drop everyone on Poggio given its profile- as such i don’t think he can bank on just trying that again.
 
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Picture this; 150 km of major selective crosswind action in La Primavera. It would turn into an epic race (not just the last 30 min) and shred the peloton to pieces, with constant fighthing and action. Sign me up for that.

Knowing that won't happen, at least give me rain all day—not just for 30 minutes at the end, which only makes it more dangerous and hardly nothing else in terms of fatigue.
 
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James M said:
Picture this; 150 km of major selective crosswind action in La Primavera. It would turn into an epic race (not just the last 30 min) and shred the peloton to pieces, with constant fighthing and action. Sign me up for that.

Knowing that won't happen, at least give me rain all day—not just for 30 minutes at the end, which only makes it more dangerous and hardly nothing else in terms of fatigue.
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They will not have wind enough?
 
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What happened in the Olympics? I don't remember. Kolobnev received a payment to lose LBL 2010.
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Uran just happened to look the other way when Vinokourov started his sprint. There were a lot of allegations he got paid to lose. Of course it was never proven but.. well just look it up on Youtube if you wanna have a laugh :smile:
 
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Regarding the bribes to lose, if you listen to bruyneel this was a regular thing, even for small payouts, and people were open about it when he was a rider.
 
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Uran just happened to look the other way when Vinokourov started his sprint. There were a lot of allegations he got paid to lose. Of course it was never proven but.. well just look it up on Youtube if you wanna have a laugh :smile:
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I saw the race. It was a stupid mistake from Uran. I don't believe something suspicious happened. On the other hand, Kolobnev really received 100k from a fund owned by Vino.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Rain and cold are important to make MSR harder. The goal is to reduce the peloton before and in Cipressa. It is easier for UAE to be in the front with just a peloton of 80 riders than a peloton of 130 riders.
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The weather will be cool but the rain could be only in the last part of the course. Not enough to make the whole race harder but enough to make it more dangerous.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
The weather will be cool but the rain could be only in the last part of the course. Not enough to make the whole race harder but enough to make it more dangerous.
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Those forecasts seem to change daily. I checked a couple days ago and it said rain was more likely during the first part of the race. Ah well, the weather is just as unpredictable as the race I guess.
 
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Those forecasts seem to change daily. I checked a couple days ago and it said rain was more likely during the first part of the race. Ah well, the weather is just as unpredictable as the race I guess.
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The rain will be at least partially convective in nature so not easy to predict timing. However, considering the approach of low at the end of the day plus the best time for convection, late afternoon seems most likely.
 
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Pogacar was training in Cipressa with Narvaez and Wellens. Interesting thing was Narvaez will probably Pogacar's last guy.
 
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My personal Make A Wish Foundation scenario:

Pogacar nukes Cipressa, as he will as well. MvdP follows, along with Pedersen (I've gained more and more respect for him and the way he kills himself for his teammates every chance he gets).

They actually work with Pogi, and the trio creates an epic version. As for the winner, I wouldn't mind whoever among those three. I love MvdP, he's generational. Pedersen earning his first monument would be fantastic as well. Pog will win it regardless one year, dont mind leaving the cannibal hungry for more he's still only 26.
 
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Somebody make a case to me for anyone staying with pog after a sub 9 minute cipressa. Best case scenario is 30 seconds behind and claw 10 seconds back on the descent. Then it’s all nose in the wind after that
 
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Somebody make a case to me for anyone staying with pog after a sub 9 minute cipressa. Best case scenario is 30 seconds behind and claw 10 seconds back on the descent. Then it’s all nose in the wind after that
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If a "full" peloton climbs Cipressa for 9:26, then the best riders should be able to do it for ~9:10.

If Pogacar wants to gain 30 seconds on Cipressa he has to hope on all the main guys being much worse than last year or himself doing Cipressa below 8:50. 8:40 preferably.
 
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