Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Krzysztof_O]

Incredible! UAE continues to show classic after classic, how s#itty they are without Pogacar. And there are 3 or 4 who want to lead some classics. I just say "Really?"

Maybe the real director of the team (Teddy P.) told them to save themselves for RVV.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Maybe the real director of the team (Teddy P.) told them to save themselves for RVV.

I hope they just give everything they have to make the race really hard for 150 km and then Pogacar can finish the job in Kwaremont.

 

[Sciatic]

Haha, these are the handful kind of people who say Pogacar isn’t better than Merckx already. The same people—nostalgia has taken over their brain—are incapable of looking forward, objectify common sense, have no idea what’s going on around them, and literally think the world stands still.

I’m sure the same guy believes the T-Ford is better than Bugatti Chiron too if asked, while simultaneously needing help to operate his phone half the week. Absolutely hilarious.

But why always do the comparison from a presentism lens? Why not ask, how would Pogacar fare against Merckx in his era, with Pog using 1960s-1970s bikes, training methods, diet, coaching, superstitions, and secret sauces? If you always frame the debate as how would Rider X from the past fare against Rider Y in the current peloton, then you are always biasing it in favor of the current rider.

 

[Cookster15]

He just comes from a different mentality, a way of life that's incompatibile with the milder tone (doubtless he would say hipocrisy) of today.

Nah, I think RDV is detracting from his own aura. Its a simple matter of showing respect. There were plenty of Flandrians before and after this guy. Sure he has a great record and beat Merckx in some classics and monuments but he never won a world title and didn't win grand tours like Pogacar. Its a simple matter of showing respect.

 

[Sciatic]

Respect to LA for calling Pog the goat

Never (to the 1st half of that sentence)

 

[Peyroteo94]

Never (to the 1st half of that sentence)

He still is a legend of this sport.

 

[Shortcut]

I have some weird feeling MvDP will win RVV and Pogi will win P-R. No i didn't make mistake or switch races.

 

[Gratemans]

RDV is just a brash Flandrian. I wouldn't get all worked up about it, rather just enjoy the entertainment. Rest asured, if he were racing today he'd benefit from all the advancements and play the game like everyone else. He just comes from a different mentality, a way of life that's incompatibile with the milder tone (doubtless he would say hipocrisy) of today.

Like I said earlier: so is Pat for example. But I don't mind him. RdV just never, ever shows any respect to riders that raced after him. He only tries to downtalk their performance.
You never see Merckx or Hinault or whoever talk like that. It's not a generational thing: he's just a ***.

 

[JoãoRamos]

I have some weird feeling MvDP will win RVV and Pogi will win P-R. No i didn't make mistake or switch races.

I would love him to beat MVDP in RVV and then stomping him in P-R. It would be glorious.

 

[Gratemans]

I have some weird feeling MvDP will win RVV and Pogi will win P-R. No i didn't make mistake or switch races.

That would be... well, weird indeed. But also pretty cool. I don't see it happening though.

 

[snipeheem]

Never (to the 1st half of that sentence)

Why not ? I am not a big of a fan but i respect him for what he said. Pogacar is the greatest of all time even Stevie Wonder would see that.

 

[JoãoRamos]

That would be... well, weird indeed. But also pretty cool. I don't see it happening though.

Yes. But if Pog can win RVV dominating, maybe this can affect MVDP mentally, even if it's only a little bit.

 

[snipeheem]

I would love him to beat MVDP in RVV and then stomping him in P-R. It would be glorious.

RVV pogi is going to destroy MvDP but P-R i just cant imagine pogi winning this race

 

[JoãoRamos]

RVV pogi is going to destroy MvDP but P-R i just cant imagine pogi winning this race

Let's do one step at a time.

First, demolition in RVV.

Then, we can think about P-R haha

 

[hayneplane]

Pogacar and MVDP are seemingly just so far clear of the field that only bad luck can prevent one them winning Flanders.

I don’t think today changed much in my mind about what might happen next Sunday.

Would be interesting to know what the sector times were for Pogacar RVV 2023 Kwaremont compared to MVDP today.

I got the sense that MVDP went flat out on Kwaremont as a tester to see what he can do and what he will need to do to live with Tadej when he lifts the intensity.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes. But if Pog can win RVV dominating, maybe this can affect MVDP mentally, even if it's only a little bit.

Another portuguese fan. Bem vindo!

 

[JoãoRamos]

Another portuguese fan. Bem vindo!

Obrigado!

Let's see Pog stomping VDP next week.

And it can't have any excuses from VDP part.

He is saying: this is the best form of my life.

So it will be even more delicious.

 

[JoãoRamos]

Pogacar and MVDP are seemingly just so far clear of the field that only bad luck can prevent one them winning Flanders.

I don’t think today changed much in my mind about what might happen next Sunday.

Would be interesting to know what the sector times were for Pogacar RVV 2023 Kwaremont compared to MVDP today.

I got the sense that MVDP went flat out on Kwaremont as a tester to see what he can do and what he will need to do to live with Tadej when he lifts the intensity.

We need to see UAE attacking a lot before Pogi going, and VDP having to cover the attacks.

If he lets UAE riders go, Pogi will cook him, attack and use those riders to pull for him.

UAE needs to put a lot of pressure in this race. No excuses. No mercy. Just a bloodbath and a lot of corpses in RVV. It will be a feast.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I have some weird feeling MvDP will win RVV and Pogi will win P-R. No i didn't make mistake or switch races.

I would love that. Pogi's goal is winning all 5. He alreasy has the recipe to win MSR.

 

[JoãoRamos]

I would love that. Pogi's goal is winning all 5. He alreasy has the recipe to win MSR.

I can't risk. Gimme RVV and then we can talk later about P-R

 

[Peyroteo94]

I can't risk. Gimme RVV and then we can talk later about P-R

Yup. I just want a nuclear bomb in Kwaremont.

 

[JoãoRamos]

Yup. I just want a nuclear bomb in Kwaremont.

And we shall have my friend. Total carnage. I want to see Pogi putting VDP into submission, like 2023.

 

[Unchained]

Incredible! UAE continues to show classic after classic, how s#itty they are without Pogacar. And there are 3 or 4 who want to lead some classics. I just say "Really?"

While I agree with underwhelming classics results.. UAE is winning or standing on the podium regularly these first few months of racing ..and that's riders other than Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

While I agree with underwhelming classics results.. UAE is winning or standing on the podium regularly these first few months of racing ..and that's riders other than Pogacar.

Winning races with little prestige. This year is better with Ayuso winning important stage races (last year he got extremely lucky to win PV) but if we look only to monuments and GTs, only Pogacar can compete for the win, I'm not even talking about winning, just competing.

 

[JoãoRamos]

While I agree with underwhelming classics results.. UAE is winning or standing on the podium regularly these first few months of racing ..and that's riders other than Pogacar.

Only lesser races, let's be honest. The biggest and baddest races, UAE cannot win without Pogi.