Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Pogacar is the level where you don't age out of winning heaps but it requires new riders spawning that hit that level.

For Pogacar it's huge that he's like 5 years younger than Van der Poel

its not 5. Its 3

 

[scribers]

Pogacar will be quite competitive at whatever he wants to race into his 30’s

 

[Peyroteo94]

it also makes total sense. If you have a guy with the power of a flat classics guy but he weights 10-15kg less he will be an absolute monster in the hilly classics and climbs. He can just cruise to the win in Liege and Lombardia.

I completely agree. It is just absurd how he can probably produce 50-100 watts more than his rivals (Vingegaard, Roglic, Remco, Landa).

 

[Peyroteo94]

its not 5. Its 3

Almost 4 to be honest

 

[dazaau]

VDP clearly broke the rules with illegal feeding in the final 14km — and both he and his team director were hit with heavy fines. This wasn’t a grey area or a misunderstanding. It was a conscious decision to cheat, hoping the consequences wouldn’t be severe.

The truth is, without that illegal feeding, VDP might not have finished the race the way he did. It gave him an unfair advantage, plain and simple. They gambled by breaking the rules — now they should face the full penalty: disqualification.

I know Pogacar is a true sportsman and doesn’t want to win like this. But this is about more than one rider or one race. It’s about the credibility of cycling. If rules aren’t enforced properly, it sets a dangerous precedent.

UAE should appeal. Not for the win, but for the integrity of the sport.

And then Pog should be disqualified for his pickle juice run / illegal feed and Mads declared the winner.

 

[Cycling111]

And then Pog should be disqualified for his pickle juice run / illegal feed and Mads declared the winner.

The one-minute margin for cars is established in stage races.

In classics, it depends on the regulations. There are classics where a car can pass bywith 40 seconds.
I don't know the limit for Roubaix.

 

[yaco]

Who worked with Pogacar yesterday? When Van der Poel attacked on the flat, no one helped him, not even Vermeerchs, and Pedersen was on his wheel at that crucial moment. If Pog didn't close that gap, everyone would be cut off. He did it for everyone and then started asking a gel.

What - When Pogacar and MVDP split the race to a small group they all work together. Are you watching the races?

 

[Peyroteo94]

The one-minute margin for cars is established in stage races.

In classics, it depends on the regulations. There are classics where a car can pass bywith 40 seconds.
I don't know the limit for Roubaix.

The organization let the car go to Pogacar. He was a long time ago asking for assistance.

 

[Cycling111]

The organization let the car go to Pogacar. He was a long time ago asking for assistance.

But what was the limit in Roubaix? It's not a minute in all races.

And the penalty isn't the same in all of them. What VDP did in a TDF carries a 20-second penalty, in Roubaix it's just a monetary.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

The one-minute margin for cars is established in stage races.

In classics, it depends on the regulations. There are classics where a car can pass bywith 40 seconds.
I don't know the limit for Roubaix.

@Netserk posted the regulations somewhere in the races's thread. Basically it's completely up to the comissaires if they let the car pass or not, it doesn't specify a time gap.

 

[yaf2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912056235303510390

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Pogacar > Vdp + evenpoel + vingegaard 🤣🤣🤣 I've never seen such inequality even in my math class

 

[James M]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912056235303510390

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Pogacar > Vdp + evenpoel + vingegaard 🤣🤣🤣 I've never seen such inequality even in my math class

''Big 6'' People just way to emotional, its sorta embarrassing.

 

[Peyroteo94]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912056235303510390

View: https://x.com/laflammerouge16/status/1912056235303510390?t=S4NT3ck1QvnyF-sUBk1Xvg&s=19

Pogacar > Vdp + evenpoel + vingegaard 🤣🤣🤣 I've never seen such inequality even in my math class

Pure dominance! And if everything goes right, this number will be even bigger after the Vuelta.

 

[YavorD]

''Big 6'' People just way to emotional, its sorta embarrassing.

Yup, it's more like big 3.
MVDP gives him a battle in the classics (okay, some of them).
Vingegaard gives him a battle in the GT's.
Evenepoel probably has the ceiling to give him a battle as well but it's yet to prove that.

 

[Monsi]

Pure dominance! And if everything goes right, this number will be even bigger after the Vuelta.

It will increase more after the Ardennes if he does Amstel and Fleche, which he didn't do last year, but then he'll lose points after the Giro. Then, if he wins both the Tour and the Vuelta, then it would increase again to the post-Ardennes total.

 

[Cycling111]

What - When Pogacar and MVDP split the race to a small group they all work together. Are you watching the races?

Yes. If he doesn't close the gap when Van der Poel's attack first on the road, everyone will be cut. Pedersen is on his wheel at that point, Pogacar closes the gap alone, and he's left destroyed asking team car.

In the important moments, the other riders weren't important.
I don't see that comparison as saying they didn't help Sagan. In this PR, the critical moments are saved by those who are fighting for the race, not by secondary riders.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yup, it's more like big 3.
MVDP gives him a battle in the classics (okay, some of them).
Vingegaard gives him a battle in the GT's.
Evenepoel probably has the ceiling to give him a battle as well but it's yet to prove that.

In GTs or classics? Against a 100% Pogacar, I don't believe (in classics). In GTs, Pogacar can show at his Giro shape, and only Vingegaard can beat him. I'm absolutely convinced of this.

 

[dazaau]

The one-minute margin for cars is established in stage races.

In classics, it depends on the regulations. There are classics where a car can pass bywith 40 seconds.
I don't know the limit for Roubaix.

Don't ruin my well crafted story in which Mads wins Roubaix with reason and facts

 

[James M]

Yup, it's more like big 3.
MVDP gives him a battle in the classics (okay, some of them).
Vingegaard gives him a battle in the GT's.
Evenepoel probably has the ceiling to give him a battle as well but it's yet to prove that.

This also depends on whether the 'Big 6' concept is based on overall performance throughout the calendar, which for me highlights the 'big anything' idea. If not, why not include sprinters in this nitpicking scenario? In that reality, there's only one King Kong and his gestures.

If it's based on other criteria beyond the overall cycling calendar, then sure. Then it was a 'Big 3,' but now it's 'Big 2 or 3,' depending imo.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This also depends on whether the 'Big 6' concept is based on overall performance throughout the calendar, which for me highlights the 'big anything' idea. If not, why not include sprinters in this nitpicking scenario? In that reality, there's only one King Kong and his gestures.

If it's based on other criteria beyond the overall cycling calendar, then sure. Then it was a 'Big 3,' but now it's 'Big 2 or 3,' depending imo.

If Pogacar wins the Tour-Vuelta, Big 3 is reduced to Big 2

 

[James M]

Judging by that list and numbers don’t lie—it’s ‘Big 6,’ my ass. It’s more like one King Kong and his gestures, which taking turns to challenge him. Of course, what the 'Big 6' concept is based upon might vary from person to person. To me, it just seems silly as the discrepancy is to obvious and laughable at the same time.

But then again admittedly, I don’t know what criteria is based upon, If it's based only on big races, that’s the only logical criteria I can understand for the people being included. However, even then, the numbers show a significant discrepancy among the ''big 6''.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Judging by that list and numbers don’t lie—it’s ‘Big 6,’ my ass. It’s more like one King Kong and his gestures, which taking turns to challenge him. Of course, what the 'Big 6' concept is based upon might vary from person to person. To me, it just seems silly as the discrepancy is to obvious and laughable at the same time.

Yup, if he wasn't targetting everything, he would probably toy with his competition if he fully focused on one type of races.

 

[YavorD]

In GTs or classics? Against a 100% Pogacar, I don't believe (in classics). In GTs, Pogacar can show at his Giro shape, and only Vingegaard can beat him. I'm absolutely convinced of this.

In both. He could still have space to improve and Pogacar may not reach last year's level (that's not a given, you know).
At the moment he can't, I agree, but that's why I said "ceilings"

 

[Peyroteo94]

In both. He could still have space to improve and Pogacar may not reach last year's level (that's not a given, you know).
At the moment he can't, I agree, but that's why I said "ceilings"

But you need to see the tendency. The gap between Pogacar and Remco always was big (in GTs) and id getting bigger and bigger year after year. In classics, Remco was probably better than Pogacar in 2019-2020 but now, it is hard to think he is remotely close to Pogacar's level and again, the gap is getting bigger and bigger.

 

[Cycling111]

It will increase more after the Ardennes if he does Amstel and Fleche, which he didn't do last year, but then he'll lose points after the Giro. Then, if he wins both the Tour and the Vuelta, then it would increase again to the post-Ardennes total.

I´ve doubts he'll do Amstel and FW.
I´ve doubts he'll do la Vuelta before Rwanda.