Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

He also knows he was overconfident.

'Maybe we were too enthusiastic' – Tadej Pogačar comes up short in Amstel Gold Race solo move, proves he's human after all

World champion loses three-up sprint to Mattias Skjelmose after being caught 8km from the finish by Remco-Evenepoel-led duo

www.cyclingnews.com

 

[Cycling111]

He also knows he was overconfident.

'Maybe we were too enthusiastic' – Tadej Pogačar comes up short in Amstel Gold Race solo move, proves he's human after all

World champion loses three-up sprint to Mattias Skjelmose after being caught 8km from the finish by Remco-Evenepoel-led duo

www.cyclingnews.com

'Without that fall, I would have won the race'​

I see this in this link.
The arrogant Pogacar didn´t say it

 

[Peyroteo94]

'Without that fall, I would have won the race'​

I see this in this link.
The arrogant Pogacar didn´t say it

Remco always was like this. He is always outspoken and sometimes a little bit arrogant but we also need guys like him, "bad guys" are important in cycling too, to give audience and content. I hope he never changes even if sometimes we will see arrogant and childish behaviours from him.

 

[Poursuivant]

Pog will do FW,there is no force in the world that can stop him.His motto is simple,If he dies,he dies.

This seemed to be how he was thinking after the race today, no change in schedule.

 

[Froome]

So, let me get this straight. Pogacar lost today because he was tired from PR.

Is there a chance he lost because two other riders or at least one(evenepoel), was at the same level today?

Evenepoel can also say that he crashed today and that he came back from a serious crash.

Pogacar is not tired of anything. Yes, PR is a demanding and tiring race, but he didn't yet raced that much this year, and there was 1 week to recover.

UAE tour, MSR, and strade bianche were easy days.

The only 2 demanding days this year, were PR and Flandres.

 

[Cycling111]

Remco always was like this. He is always outspoken and sometimes a little bit arrogant but we also need guys like him, "bad guys" are important in cycling too, to give audience and content. I hope he never changes even if sometimes we will see arrogant and childish behaviours from him.

It made me laugh because I don't want to think about what would be said in this thread if Pogacar said that

I found it funny reading it after some comments about arrogance.

 

[scribers]

So, let me get this straight. Pogacar lost today because he was tired from PR.

yes

Is there a chance he lost because two other riders or at least one(evenepoel), was at the same level today?

no

Evenepoel can also say that he crashed today and that he came back from a serious crash.

he did say that. Yes.

Pogacar is not tired of anything. Yes, PR is a demanding and tiring race, but he didn't yet raced that much this year, and there was 1 week to recover.

He is tired from P-R podium and should have raced smarter today

UAE tour, MSR, and strade bianche were easy days.

No

The only 2 demanding days this year, were PR and Flandres.

No

 

[Peyroteo94]

yes

no

he did say that. Yes.

He is tired from P-R podium and should have raced smarter today

No

No

Don't forget to keep your cool eheheh

 

[YavorD]

So, let me get this straight. Pogacar lost today because he was tired from PR.

Kinda reminds me of you tbh. If Vingegaard loses, there's always an excuse.
If Pogacar wins it's because of the competition, crashes, xyz reasons.

It is normal that he is a bit tired/his shape isn't so great but Evenepoel and Skjelmose were on a very high level as well.

 

[Cycling111]

Kinda reminds me of you tbh. If Vingegaard loses, there's always an excuse.
If Pogacar wins it's because of the competition, crashes, xyz reasons.

It is normal that he is a bit tired/his shape isn't so great but Evenepoel and Skjelmose were on a very high level as well.

It's a bit ironic that Vingegaard, having recovered, can excuse himself from no racing until the Dauphine, yet we can't say that PR week is horrible, when the VDP himself said so a year ago after Amstel.

The top PR specialist says so. We haven't said anything strange.

In any case, it's worth noting that Pogacar doesn't complain half as much as many riders who are prone to making excuses or saying they would have won a race
Today he didn't cry about PR. Last year at Amstel, VDP complained more about PR fatigue LOL

 

[Purito91]

Focus on Liege.
Understand that alaphilipe just do fake attacks nowadays and he will win the next to races again.
With Evenepoel you just cant attack whnen you want. Its bitter but i think he can win the next races when he just dont attack to early.

 

[MerkantilMerch]

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Pogacar is not tired of anything.

The only 2 demanding days this year, were PR and Flandres.

Yes and these 2 races were these past 2 weeks.

Even MVDP is destroyed after.

 

[scribers]

Mvp was sitting on his sofa today thinking “what an idiot”

 

[Gratemans]

Great post Jack.
It really seems his biggest weakness is excessive confidence. Already lost a Tour because of that (Granon) and many more races but this is also why he is so loved and why he is the most likeable and popular nowadays. This classics season have been great and he is the main protagonist for sure!

Most likeable? Meh, not to me, but that's subjective ofcourse.

I'm gonna defend him a bit nonetheless: excessive confidence? Maybe a bit, but that's also what makes him willing to seek out his limits (and inevitably crossing them in the process): racing all spring classics and then Ardennes to boot. He's wearing himself out but at least he gives it a go just to see where his limit lies. I would just advise him not to do it again going forward. I applaud him for having tried it though.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Most likeable? Meh, not to me, but that's subjective ofcourse.

I'm gonna defend him a bit nonetheless: excessive confidence? Maybe a bit, but that's also what makes him willing to seek out his limits (and inevitably crossing them in the process): racing all spring classics and then Ardennes to boot. He's wearing himself out but at least he gives it a go just to see where his limit lies. I would just advise him not to do it again going forward. I applaud him for having tried it though.

In general, he is. There is no question about who is the face of cycling right now. Of course he is not the most likeable to everyone (and that's okay. How boring would be if everyone liked yellow and no one liked blue?) but in general he is.

He is the most popular active rider on social media (by a lot). It is the only metric I can use to prove my point. Everything else is empirical knowledge (main attraction in races, more fans).

 

[Panda Claws]

It made me laugh because I don't want to think about what would be said in this thread if Pogacar said that

I found it funny reading it after some comments about arrogance.

Fan victim mentality at it again. "If my rider did/said that then people would *** so much more."

That comment gets thrown around so often.

I think you'd find Pogacar would get at least as much slack as others on here.

 

[Cycling111]

Great post Jack.
It really seems his biggest weakness is excessive confidence. Already lost a Tour because of that (Granon) and many more races but this is also why he is so loved and why he is the most likeable and popular nowadays. This classics season have been great and he is the main protagonist for sure!

Disagree in this.

The Granon stage wasn't overconfident or arrogant. On the contrary, it was overestimating Roglic after the crash.

It would be more arrogant not to consider Roglic a rival. Considered him more of a rival than he really was, which is why he also attacked and didn't let him go.
Aside from the fact that he was clearly in the minority. I don't think Granon is an example; UAE was terrible and was alone against the 4 Jumbo.

He overestimated Roglic. If he didn't react to Roglic attackx and Roglic won the Tour, he´d be called arrogant for underestimating Roglic.

Fan victim mentality at it again. "If my rider did/said that then people would *** so much more."

That comment gets thrown around so often.

I think you'd find Pogacar would get at least as much slack as others on here.

Don't get me wrong, if I made this comment, it's because some observations were made this week.If there weren't such comments, I wouldn't be thinking this.

 

[Savant12]

Pog is the best because he doesn't make excuses for his failures.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Pogi says the legs are great and can't wait for La Flèche Wallonne.

Pogačar je pred Valonsko puščico optimist: "Noge so odlične"; Evenepoel: "Brez padca bi zmagal"

Redko se zgodi, da je Tadej Pogačar po pobegu ujet in na koncu ne zmaga. Tekmeci se običajno v tem scenariju predajo in se usmerijo v boj za drugo mesto. Na dirki Amstel Gold Race ni bilo tako in svetovni prvak se je moral zadovoljiti z drugim mestom.

www.rtvslo.si

 

[Froome]

Pogi says the legs are great and can't wait for La Flèche Wallonne.

Pogačar je pred Valonsko puščico optimist: "Noge so odlične"; Evenepoel: "Brez padca bi zmagal"

Redko se zgodi, da je Tadej Pogačar po pobegu ujet in na koncu ne zmaga. Tekmeci se običajno v tem scenariju predajo in se usmerijo v boj za drugo mesto. Na dirki Amstel Gold Race ni bilo tako in svetovni prvak se je moral zadovoljiti z drugim mestom.

www.rtvslo.si

He said the legs were great, so he is not tired of anything.

Besides that, this was the fastest Amstel gold race ever.

 

[scribers]

Pog is the best because he doesn't make excuses for his failures.

That's where I comes in.

 

[Unchained]

Mvp was sitting on his sofa today thinking “what an idiot”

Funny that when you ride and race bicycles enough you always realize that no crash is alike, crashes that see someone flying through the air, rag doll and landing only to get up with nothing or some road rash and a bad attitude!!
Remco back on the bike already fell off! Talk about race days to wrecks ratio!! And Pogacar , sure he has more race days but already falling off ..it's all numbers.. Sometimes you get up, sometimes you don't.. Clavicle takes next to nothing to break it, fingers,hands and arms get leverage breaks as they work as shock absorbers and break routinely.
MvP probably home saying that these guys are in the Russian roulette injury contest.. Remco, Pog with some lucky falls, Jonas not so much, Roglic staying in one piece and upright.. Remco's season could have looked lots different
Glad it all worked out, but this can't last forever..

 

[Oldman]

'Without that fall, I would have won the race'​

I see this in this link.
The arrogant Pogacar didn´t say it

Seeing Remco's interview he didn't say it. Unless he said to someone else it's a red herring massage of what he actually said. Go see that rather than refresh the trollchum.

 

[Pantani_lives]

• Pogacar is faster than Evenepoel (AGR)
• Evenepoel is faster than Van Aert (BP)
• Van Aert is faster than Matthews (AGR)
• Matthews is faster than Pogacar (Québec '24)

Conclusion: Pogacar is faster than Pogacar.

 

[ChasingPotatoes]

Wellenes has been exhausted for two weeks. They've had him do every Classics.
Narvaez has suffered several crashes, these lapses can be caused by fatigue.

Wellens crashed (maybe even the same crash as Narvaez?) before TV started. That's as far as I could make up from the commentators and some online sources. He already crashed quite hard in RVV and was riding with a fractured rib.

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It has been like 3 days since I visited this topic and I felt like I had to read a whole chapter of a book!

In short, I think Pog lost mainly because of wrong choices.
It took him making the wrong choice of following Alaphilippe. It also took a chase group that wasn't cooked by Pogs attack, simply because nobody followed Alaphilippe / Pog when they went clear (for reasons I don't understand: weren't they able or were they just very cold-blooded, or were they (most likely) seeing Pog go and thinking: don't follow this, it's suicide).

So for once, there was the ideal scenario (for the chasers) of Pog going early, on a parcours with a lot of headwind, and behind a strong group with some domestiques, not enough UAE riders to jump on attacks, and ofcourse a very dedicated chase by a strong duo. Pog still had a very fine sprint, but that sprint was lost because of wrong timing (started too early by Remco, so both Remco and Pog had to go early with some headwind).

So all the stars aligned for Skjelmose to win the race (he didn't steal it: he probably gave his very best chasing with Remco which most would consider suicide, so he was brave and willing to go all in).

Just saying that everything was close to perfect in terms of wearing Pog down, chasing Pog, and that sprint.

And still, Pog nearly won. He was the fastest on most of the key climbs. So I would say he's still the outright favourite in LBL. Remco is in fine form, but unless his early crash took much out of him and he that sharp attack uphill like on Redoute when he won Liege, I can't see Remco matching a serious (and this time better-timed) Pog attack. If Pog attacks on Roche-au-Faucons it's a done deal imho.