Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[CyclistAbi]

Not peaking yet as it seems, amateur riders doing selfies all while Pogi maxing out. While we are at it, fans:

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At the end of the season one can race against Pogi on Krvavec. Pogi promised he will stop and give you a bit of a leeway, before starting to chase you back. So i assume Rogla, Jonas and Remco likely already enlisted.

 

[Cycling111]

This is the beauty of cycling. Tell me other sport where you are so closed to your heroes?

For fans it's nice, but for them it can be annoying.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yup, imagine guys like you or me playing football with Messi, impossible

Yeah.m, it would be "hilarious" some fan of Real Madrid trying to break his leg in a "peladinha".

 

[Peyroteo94]

Not peaking yet as it seems, amateur riders doing selfies all while Pogi maxing out. While we are at it, fans:

S KLANCA V KLANC – EDINSTVENA REKREATIVNA KOLESARSKA IZKUŠNJA

pogichallenge.com

At the end of the season one can race against Pogi on Krvavec. Pogi promised he will stop and give you a bit of a leeway, before starting to chase you back. So i assume Rogla, Jonas and Remco likely already enlisted.

He is riding in his zone 2. A lot of amateur riders (those who are in good shape) can follow him for more than 2 minutes.

 

[CyclistAbi]

He is riding in his zone 2. A lot of amateur riders (those who are in good shape) can follow him for more than 2 minutes.

Good luck with that, likely Pogi was not feeling well.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Good luck with that, likely Pogi was not feeling well.

Those who are really good can follow him for 2 minutes. There is also a chance he was doing a recovery ride. Are you really trying to suggest he is in bad shape just because 2 amateur riders can follow him for 30 seconds?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Those who are really good can follow him for 2 minutes. There is also a chance he was doing a recovery ride. Are you really trying to suggest he is in bad shape just because 2 amateur riders can follow him for 30 seconds?

30s maybe, 2 minutes dream on.

 

[Peyroteo94]

30s maybe, 2 minutes dream on.

Those who are really good, can follow him for 2 minutes.
View: https://youtube.com/shorts/S7HB_xV1qFM?si=k7AnW8tz-fxZD5TL

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Peyroteo94

If that would really be 1:44 then the video wouldn't last 52s and that is with introduction included. Give it up, AFAIK Urška joined him and she was sick? Pogi got it too and that is all there is to it.

 

[Rou]

Those who are really good can follow him for 2 minutes. There is also a chance he was doing a recovery ride. Are you really trying to suggest he is in bad shape just because 2 amateur riders can follow him for 30 seconds?

Did you take him seriously? He was joking.

 

[2WpK]

Until proven otherwise Roglic has the superior recovery compared to Pogacar when it comes to Grand Tours. Tour-Vuelta is harder because after the Tour Pogi is completely dead. Examples: 2022 and 2023. In 2020 Rogla did the Tour injured after the Dauphine and still went to the Vuelta and won it later.

Seriously?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Seriously?

If we take into an account, on how many GTs Rogla rode in last half a decade, results and the condition he was in (riding most of them). That is IMHO rather superior recovery.

 

[Peyroteo94]

If we take into an account, on how many GTs Rogla rode in last half a decade, results and the condition he was in (riding most of them). That is IMHO rather superior recovery.

Roglic finished 2 GTs (in the same year) in 2020 (Vuelta had 18 stages) and 2023. He has a good recovery but nowhere near the level of Pogacar

 

[Peyroteo94]

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[Cookster15]

If we take into an account, on how many GTs Rogla rode in last half a decade, results and the condition he was in (riding most of them). That is IMHO rather superior recovery.

Can you be more specific? This is the Pogacar thread, so we are comparing Rogla's recovery against Pogacar, not in isolation.

Surely the argument of who has better recovery is now settled after Pogacar's 2024 season. Pogacar was winning from Strade Bianchi until GdL. Along the way he picked up the first Giro-Tour double in 26 years.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Can you be more specific? This is the Pogacar thread, so we are comparing Rogla's recovery against Pogacar, not in isolation.

Surely the argument of who has better recovery is now settled after Pogacar's 2024 season. Pogacar was winning from Strade Bianchi until GdL. Along the way he picked up the first Giro-Tour double in 26 years.

Roglic finished 2 GTs (in the same year) in 2020 (Vuelta had 18 stages) and 2023. He has a good recovery but nowhere near the level of Pogacar

Well, if half a decade worth of proof doesn't persuade you, we are in luck, as Rogla is doing Giro-Tour this year and hence best to wait and see. All i can say is, based on the past, Rogla is a stage racing powerhouse, on when it comes to recovery.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Well, if half a decade worth of proof doesn't persuade you, we are in luck, as Rogla is doing Giro-Tour this year and hence best to wait and see. All i can say is, based on the past, Rogla is a stage racing powerhouse, on when it comes to recovery.

Doing Tour-Vuelta is not such a big deal. Froome, Quintana showed this. Both weren't able to compete at their best in the Tour after doing the Giro

 

[CyclistAbi]

Doing Tour-Vuelta is not such a big deal. Froome, Quintana showed this. Both weren't able to compete at their best in the Tour after doing the Giro

Great and even better then for Rogla if he pulls it off. As we are accustomed in this thread.

GOAT!

 

[2WpK]

Well, if half a decade worth of proof doesn't persuade you, we are in luck, as Rogla is doing Giro-Tour this year and hence best to wait and see. All i can say is, based on the past, Rogla is a stage racing powerhouse, on when it comes to recovery.

One can measure "recovery" in many different ways and one way is performance in 3 week bike races. Are you saying Roglic is a better 3 week racer than Pogacar?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Great and even better then for Rogla if he pulls it off. As we are accustomed in this thread.

GOAT!

If he gets beaten again, will you say Roglic is no longer a match against Pogacar/Vingegaard?

 

[Lequack]

I remember this stage well, it was so cool to watch. In 2019 Tour of California was still a thing, Pogacar in his first season with UAE, before all the GT wins, before the goat, he was just an exciting teenager at that point, having won Algarve as a neo-pro just a few months earlier. He would then go on on to claim 3rd place at his first Vuelta, behind Roglic and Valverde.

But in this race he was a total outsider, I'm not sure even the commentators had much idea who this young guy was. And then came the cruicial 6th stage, with a brutal mountain finish up to Mt. Baldy, where he would battle the likes of Higuita, Richie Porte, Van Garderen and other good climbers of that time. Also fun to check the Youtube comments, some older and some newer. Really tells a story.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=221pwXkeHxQ

 

[Cookster15]

I remember this stage well, it was so cool to watch. In 2019 Tour of California was still a thing, Pogacar in his first season with UAE, before all the GT wins, before the goat, he was just an exciting teenager at that point, having won Algarve as a neo-pro just a few months earlier. He would then go on on to claim 3rd place at his first Vuelta, behind Roglic and Valverde.

But in this race he was a total outsider, I'm not sure even the commentators had much idea who this young guy was. And then came the cruicial 6th stage, with a brutal mountain finish up to Mt. Baldy, where he would battle the likes of Higuita, Richie Porte, Van Garderen and other good climbers of that time. Also fun to check the Youtube comments, some older and some newer. Really tells a story.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=221pwXkeHxQ

Thanks for sharing. This was the day I first noticed Pogacar - 20 years old. And he grabbed a podium finish at the Vuelta later that year. Nice to see LRP mixing it up.

 

[Miha81]

I remember this stage well, it was so cool to watch. In 2019 Tour of California was still a thing, Pogacar in his first season with UAE, before all the GT wins, before the goat, he was just an exciting teenager at that point, having won Algarve as a neo-pro just a few months earlier. He would then go on on to claim 3rd place at his first Vuelta, behind Roglic and Valverde.

But in this race he was a total outsider, I'm not sure even the commentators had much idea who this young guy was. And then came the cruicial 6th stage, with a brutal mountain finish up to Mt. Baldy, where he would battle the likes of Higuita, Richie Porte, Van Garderen and other good climbers of that time. Also fun to check the Youtube comments, some older and some newer. Really tells a story.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=221pwXkeHxQ

Looking at video at the finish I guess hair tufts are there from forever

 

[CyclistAbi]

One can measure "recovery" in many different ways and one way is performance in 3 week bike races. Are you saying Roglic is a better 3 week racer than Pogacar?

Of course i am saying that, isn't it obvious? But this is not what debate was about it was about superior recovery. And if you look at Rogličes schedule in terms of GTs and results in the last half a decade, considering other stage races, monument, all won on top of GTs and most season had 2 GTs in it, plus riding at least one more or less severely injured. If that doesn't account for superior recovery i don't know what does. Some of you forgot, on how dominant Rogla used to be through and through the season? I mean he still is, it's just that riders like Pogi and Jonas and partially Remco changes the rules of engagement. They got afraid of racing close with Rogla, mano-a-mano, and started initiating attacks tens of kilometres before the finish line. That didn't suit Rogla all that much, that much is true, but now he adapted to that and game on!

If he gets beaten again, will you say Roglic is no longer a match against Pogacar/Vingegaard?

This is an interesting proposition BUT, we just had a similar debate in Rogličes thread and the overall sentiment is some people are not prepare to admit Rogla is better if he wins the Tour, regardless on how he does it, they are already hinting that their list of excuses is of colossal nature. Now in other threads, like the big 6 one, over there people in general are really hardliners, claiming on how basically there is only one divinity, maybe at best two, the rest is fat. So, first of all for something like that to work the other side will need to acknowledge Rogličes greatness first, after to admit Pogi, Jonas and Remco were beaten by superior rider if Rogla wins the Tour. Under such terms and condition maybe we can talk. Till then forget it, who are we kidding.

Now some of you might have time but others still have Giro to do, then to recover and to talk again, with legs.

 

[BubbaChuck]

Noone in peleton does pogi calendar for areason.There is footage of pogs training over 2k in nevada.He is flying,lmao.