Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Cycling111]

Are you new in cycling? Yates will not be fatigued in the Tour because he will not race for the GC

I know. I'm saying he'll arrive at the Tour more fatigued.
If Sivakov doesn't improve, I think it could be a problem.

If Sivakov had not given bad feelings I would not raise this.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I know. I'm saying he'll arrive at the Tour more fatigued.
If Sivakov doesn't improve, I think it could be a problem.

If Sivakov had not given bad feelings I would not raise this.

He will ride into shape. He has 11 stages for that.

 

[James M]

He will ride into shape. He has 11 stages for that.

You're asking him if he's new to cycling, and then you're implying that Yates will ride his way into form while competing in the GC?

Cause competing in the overall GC is not grueling—breaking down your body? Have you watched any Giro-Tour double before? Because it doesn’t work like that unless your name is Pogacar you cant ride yourself fresh as a daisy into form competing in GC. History disagree with you so striking irony you asking him if hes new to cycling.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You're asking him if he's new to cycling, and then you're implying that Yates will ride his way into form while competing in the GC?

Cause competing in the overall GC is not grueling—breaking down your body? Have you watched any Giro-Tour double before? Because it doesn’t work like that unless your name is Pogacar you cant ride yourself fresh as a daisy into form competing in GC. History disagree with you so striking irony you asking him if hes new to cycling.

Dude, he will ride into shape but will lose minutes in those 11 stages... he will just get miles, of course he will not fight for anything.

 

[James M]

Dude, he will ride into shape but will lose minutes in those 11 stages... he will just get miles, of course he will not fight for anything.

Okei so Yates has no ambitions in the GC? Have you told him this? Think you need to tell him that.

Or is this just yet another one of ur legendary visma takes which are based on the past and ancient history, Kuss will also be one of the best climbers in the world you said. Its all fine lol

 

[Peyroteo94]

Okei so Yates has no ambitions in the GC? Have you told him this? Think you need to tell him that.

Or is this just yet another one of ur legendary visma takes which are based on the past and ancient history, Kuss will also be one of the best climbers in the world you said. Its all fine lol

I'm talking in the Tour!

 

[James M]

I'm talking in the Tour!

I know you are.. Let me make it easy for you then. Visma, as a team, has not been in a worse position than they are now in many, many years.

Campenaerts for Tratnik is a downgrade. Laporte is washed, Kuss is washed, and Van Aert is severely weaker—relatively speaking, he’s also washed. S. Yates is as irrelevant as it gets when riding the Giro; he will contribute to 5-6 mountain stages in the Tour, which will have zero impact on Pogacar or his best doms even..

They have one good rider, and that's Jorgenson, but he's not a pure climber, and there’s no terrain where he can do anything against Pogacar. Like this is so common sense its funny to have to type.

As a team, they've never been worse in many, many years and are in shambles. Its literally a hillarious debate to read. The writing is literally on the wall in big letters regarding this regardless of how much you fanboy them.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I know you are.. Let me make it easy for you then. Visma, as a team, has not been in a worse position than they are now in many, many years.

Campenaerts for Tratnik is a downgrade. Laporte is washed, Kuss is washed, and Van Aert is severely weaker—relatively speaking, he’s also washed. S. Yates is as irrelevant as it gets when riding the Giro; he will contribute to 5-6 mountain stages in the Tour, which will have zero impact on Pogacar.

They have one good rider, and that's Jorgenson, but he's not a pure climber, and there’s no terrain where he can do anything against Pogacar. Like this is so common sense its funny to have to type.

As a team, they've never been worse in many, many years and are in shambles. Its literally a hillarious debate to read. The writing is literally on the wall in big letters regarding this regardless of how much you fanboy them.

Why are you talking about Visma? I'm talking about Adam Yates.

 

[James M]

Why are you talking about Visma? I'm talking about Adam Yates.

I read something on the last page and thought you meant Simon, and how insane Visma is gonne be that bs—when in fact, in reality, they are in a severly worse position than they have been in ages rider by rider and in shambles. The point still stands. But sorry, my bad then.

I thought you meant Simon. Regarding Adam, well, I’m inclined to agree with you somewhat. He will either, in my opinion, fold completely, or he’s just biding his time for the long mountains—super peaking. But the odds of the first outcome are more likely indeed.

Nevertheless, if he tries for GC for three weeks as much as Simon, they will both just be useful for a few mountain stages in the Tour, which was always going to be the case, whether or not they rode the Giro. So, potato, potatoes imo.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I read something on the last page and thought you meant Simon, and how insane Visma is gonne be that bs—when in fact, in reality, they are in a severly worse position than they have been in ages rider by rider and in shambles. The point still stands. But sorry, my bad then.

I thought you meant Simon. Regarding Adam, well, I’m inclined to agree with you somewhat. He will either, in my opinion, fold completely, or he’s just biding his time for the long mountains—super peaking. But the odds of the first outcome are more likely indeed.

Nevertheless, if he tries for GC for three weeks as much as Simon, they will both just be useful for a few mountain stages in the Tour, which was always going to be the case, whether or not they rode the Giro. So, potato, potatoes imo.

No, I'm just saying Adam Yates will not be fatigued.

 

[James M]

No, I'm just saying Adam Yates will not be fatigued.

Okay, okay, I talked about another topic my bad. I'm inclined to agree; this applies to both Yates, not Van Aert. They can cruise for two weeks in the Tour and ride themselves into some form, as they have zero job to do before then indeed.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I need to see Del Toro in the mountains but he can be Pogacar's biggest opponent after Vingegaard in the next 5 years.

 

[Cycling111]

Dude, he will ride into shape but will lose minutes in those 11 stages... he will just get miles, of course he will not fight for anything.

In the Vuelta, he won a stage, but he finished quite exhausted. He said it.

I say this also because last year he looked exhausted in his second GT.

 

[Peyroteo94]

In the Vuelta, he won a stage, but he finished quite exhausted. He said it.

I say this also because last year he looked exhausted in his second GT.

But he was riding for GC in both races and he was riding very hard already in Suisse. He is not Pogacar. Almeida suffered just like Yates

 

[Cycling111]

But, as I say, what worries me is that Sivakov's year in the high mountains hasn't been good.
There are reasonable doubts about how two mountain domestiques will arrive.


Meanwhile, UAE with 4 riders in the top10 of the Giro and Jay Vine being the strongest domestique for the mountains.
I think the ambition for the Giro is excessive.

Last year, they made up for it well. All the Tour domestiques did the Tour as their first GT.

This year, the man who had been Pogacar's right-hand man is doing the Giro-Tour.
The mountains of the Tour this year are very hard. If Almeida has a problem, let's hope everyone else's doubts have been cleared up.
It would be terrible to have problems with the domestiques in the Tour after doing top 10 of the Giro with 3 or 4 riders.

 

[Peyroteo94]

But, as I say, what worries me is that Sivakov's year in the high mountains hasn't been good.
There are reasonable doubts about how two mountain domestiques will arrive.


Meanwhile, UAE with 4 riders in the top10 of the Giro and Jay Vine being the strongest domestique for the mountains.
I think the ambition for the Giro is excessive.

Last year, they made up for it well. All the Tour domestiques did the Tour as their first GT.

This year, the man who had been Pogacar's right-hand man is doing the Giro-Tour.
The mountains of the Tour this year are very hard. If Almeida has a problem, let's hope everyone else's doubts have been cleared up.
It would be terrible to have problems with the domestiques in the Tour after doing top 10 of the Giro with 3 or 4 riders.

Almeida and Yates will be good enough, don't worry. Soler is also a monster too.

 

[Shortcut]

It still seems crazy to think that Del Toro should´ve been a reserve for TDF?

I have a mixed feeling about Del Toro right now. I saw him as loyal guy but know they were some races this year when he raced for himself and did great but when he needed to do something for other it didn't go quite well (MSR for example, this Giro also already three weird situations). I like him but it looks weird right now and am really happy with chosed team for tdF.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I have a mixed feeling about Del Toro right now. I saw him as loyal guy but know they were some races this year when he raced for himself and did great but when he needed to do something for other it didn't go quite well (MSR for example, this Giro also already three weird situations). I like him but it looks weird right now and am really happy with chosed team for tdF.

Nah, he loves Pogacar and rides for him 100%. In MSR, he wasn't able to position himself.

 

[Peyroteo94]

1 year ago we had this masterclass! Legendary moment!

View: https://youtu.be/XN27P1JN3Sw?si=lVVHlX6-bnqum6Y7

 

[hfgon1]

I know. I'm saying he'll arrive at the Tour more fatigued.
If Sivakov doesn't improve, I think it could be a problem.

If Sivakov had not given bad feelings I would not raise this.

Doesnt matter at all. Pogacar, Vingegaard and even Evenepoel are so much stronger than the other guys that the helpers wont be much relevant. Their job is just to control the rest of the field and there UAE is strong enough without any doubt. In the end Pogacar, Vingegaard and Evenepoel will fight it out while there are no helpers anyway.

 

[Salvarani]

Sivakov is one of the most reliable and best doms out there. It wont be a problem at all.

He hasnt even raced in any high mountains this season. He has won one stage-race and then got sick.

He was very good in Ardennes.

He didnt do much last spring either. He was great in Tour and for the rest of the second half of the season.

He is experienced and proven. Multiple years of performing at a high level in both stage-races and one-day races. High mountain stages.

It is insane to suggest he shouldnt be in the team. Infact, he is one of the first riders that should be selected. Both him and Soler.

Del Toro is a great rider and a huge talent, but he shouldnt do Tour after Giro under any circumstances at this stage of his career. Cmon. It would be very dumb.

Mountain support of Soler, Sivakov, Yates and Almeida is great. In the end, it will be the battle between Pog vs Vinge that matters the most any way.

 

[Salvarani]

Doesnt matter at all. Pogacar, Vingegaard and even Evenepoel are so much stronger than the other guys that the helpers wont be much relevant. Their job is just to control the rest of the field and there UAE is strong enough without any doubt. In the end Pogacar, Vingegaard and Evenepoel will fight it out while there are no helpers anyway.

This absolutely.

Fight between them that will decide it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Doesnt matter at all. Pogacar, Vingegaard and even Evenepoel are so much stronger than the other guys that the helpers wont be much relevant. Their job is just to control the rest of the field and there UAE is strong enough without any doubt. In the end Pogacar, Vingegaard and Evenepoel will fight it out while there are no helpers anyway.

Exactly. However, you shouldn't include Remco. I'm pretty sure UAE can maintain Remco under 30 seconds if he decided to attack.