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Wow, w/kg estimation is clearly way more impressive than VAM. I guess the fact that he rode alone + the shallow section in the middle upped the estimation.
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yes, same VAM as PDB but the average gradient was 0.7% lower on today's climb, that's a lot, so 7.3-7.4 is a reasonable estimate, and these values are super
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Look at this fools from the visma camp with their social media wing now came to the decision to underestimate pogs power numbers since now there is no chance for them in the tour.
On the 2nd website they are the best and impartial in their estimates. If u had seen their articles in the last 3 years every time the lantern rouge guy has +0.1w/kg estimation compared to them. But today is the only time when he estimated a -0.2w/kg estimation compared to them.
It was clear today pog pushed around 7.4w/kg for 20 mins but that visma head of strategy youtuber guy ordered an underestimation to try to stay relevant until the tour.
Race Analysis : Dauphiné 2025
Critérium du Dauphiné 2025 | Discover the analysis, watts estimations, and statistics of the race on Watts2Win. The race took place between the 8 and the June 15, 2025. Tadej Pogačar won ahead of Jonas Vingegaard and Florian Lipowitz.
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Look at this fools from the visma camp with their social media wing now came to the decision to underestimate pogs power numbers since now there is no chance for them in the tour.
On the 2nd website they are the best and impartial in their estimates. If u had seen their articles in the last 3 years every time the lantern rouge guy has +0.1w/kg estimation compared to them. But today is the only time when he estimated a -0.2w/kg estimation compared to them.
It was clear today pog pushed around 7.4w/kg for 20 mins but that visma head of strategy youtuber guy ordered an underestimation to try to stay relevant until the tour.
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yes I can conferm, I always follow both and it's the first time the LR is lower and also by a lot. Also other estimates on X are around 7.4View: https://x.com/Na1chaca/status/1933580917085274117?t=IagdxBL14B0srPHFuxeBYA&s=19
Race Analysis : Dauphiné 2025
Critérium du Dauphiné 2025 | Discover the analysis, watts estimations, and statistics of the race on Watts2Win. The race took place between the 8 and the June 15, 2025. Tadej Pogačar won ahead of Jonas Vingegaard and Florian Lipowitz.
Look at this fools from the visma camp with their social media wing now came to the decision to underestimate pogs power numbers since now there is no chance for them in the tour.
On the 2nd website they are the best and impartial in their estimates. If u had seen their articles in the last 3 years every time the lantern rouge guy has +0.1w/kg estimation compared to them. But today is the only time when he estimated a -0.2w/kg estimation compared to them.
It was clear today pog pushed around 7.4w/kg for 20 mins but that visma head of strategy youtuber guy ordered an underestimation to try to stay relevant until the tour.
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We know its a sponsor thing and its understandable after today ko they had to do this to stay relevant at least till the tour
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Seated not even close to sustain the same pace, who on earth woulda thought...Its not like we havent seen this over and over by now. from current version of Pogi. ''close duel'' Its night and day in reality.View: https://x.com/Na1chaca/status/1933580917085274117?t=IagdxBL14B0srPHFuxeBYA&s=19
Race Analysis : Dauphiné 2025
Critérium du Dauphiné 2025 | Discover the analysis, watts estimations, and statistics of the race on Watts2Win. The race took place between the 8 and the June 15, 2025. Tadej Pogačar won ahead of Jonas Vingegaard and Florian Lipowitz.
Look at this fools from the visma camp with their social media wing now came to the decision to underestimate pogs power numbers since now there is no chance for them in the tour.
On the 2nd website they are the best and impartial in their estimates. If u had seen their articles in the last 3 years every time the lantern rouge guy has +0.1w/kg estimation compared to them. But today is the only time when he estimated a -0.2w/kg estimation compared to them.
It was clear today pog pushed around 7.4w/kg for 20 mins but that visma head of strategy youtuber guy ordered an underestimation to try to stay relevant until the tour.
View: https://x.com/faustocoppi60/status/1933538729873793134
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Now they can play the media game at least they will have a buffer to play until the tour starts. The guy said "this isn't pogs best level by his summer standards" this tells me their camp wants to play "jonas is also not at his best shape thats why he lost a minute to an average pog" soon in the tour there are no places to hide. This is the best pog! He said it himself before the stage that on the rode there are no any improvements to be made but on the TT they will work on isola.
During the interview before the stage u can hear pog saying his level both in training and racing are great and there are not much improvements to be made in isola but they will work more on the TT. @ minute 2:42
- Jun 17, 2024
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I know, but I don’t care for those games. They cater to the lesser, yeah..Besides, Quick-Step and Visma said prior to the Dauphiné that they were better than ever, so whatever they say who cares at this point.Their media drill is solid, as it has to be when a guy barely races due to obvious reasons to keep their fans engaged someway.
Patterns and numbers don’t lie. Check UAE at the Dauphine last year versus their progress to the Tour relative to other teams. Politt drops half the peloton.. They come to the Dauphiné two days after altitude training, compared to seven days of acclimation like Quick-Step and Visma. So, by every logical pattern from previous cases with that program, UAE improves even more—meaning Pogacar improves even more relative ..
In the end, it doesn’t matter Pogacar is in a league of his own. The way he’s played with them even at this Dauphine grinning and laughing his ass off at that TT and still knowing he win easily... yeah, it’s so jeover.
His seated power is just amazing
He has made it his killer and signature move
He has made it his killer and signature move
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Race Analysis : Dauphiné 2025
Critérium du Dauphiné 2025 | Discover the analysis, watts estimations, and statistics of the race on Watts2Win. The race took place between the 8 and the June 15, 2025. Tadej Pogačar won ahead of Jonas Vingegaard and Florian Lipowitz.
Look at this fools from the visma camp with their social media wing now came to the decision to underestimate pogs power numbers since now there is no chance for them in the tour.
On the 2nd website they are the best and impartial in their estimates. If u had seen their articles in the last 3 years every time the lantern rouge guy has +0.1w/kg estimation compared to them. But today is the only time when he estimated a -0.2w/kg estimation compared to them.
It was clear today pog pushed around 7.4w/kg for 20 mins but that visma head of strategy youtuber guy ordered an underestimation to try to stay relevant until the tour.
I don't think it's a big deal. Just some estimations, better or worse, nothing to be angry about. Maybe he did 7.4 w/kg maybe 7.1? Great performance anyway. Gaps vs opponents is what really matter in a race and it's obvious who was by far the strongest today.
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Watching a fully seated pogi ride away from Vingo who was sprinting out of the saddle, was quite possibly the craziest thing I've ever seen in cycling. I might give the edge to a 100km attack in WC tho
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The WC, yes. You also have this + Roubaix, historically incredible, considering he’s the best climber of all time. MSR was also unprecedented and ridiculous to me especially based upon the shere power in numbers alone..
Honestly, it’s getting hard to rate them from 2024 the current version of him. There are so many at such a rate that it seems like a new norm and absolutely ridiculous.
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This reminded me of when Pogacar won the 2021 Tour on stage 8 to Le Grand-Bornand. Out of the saddle initally but then seated all the way to the finish putting over three minutes into Vingegaard. We always hear about Pog being briefly dropped on Ventoux that edition but what happened on stage 8 is brushed over.
Tour de France 2021 Stage 8 Highlights | Race Blown Apart In the Alps!
As I mentioned in the race thread today was quite a statement by Pogacar after the disappointment of his TT. But before we get too excited, lets see how he goes tomorrow on a much harder mountain test.
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Here is another proof. The *** rabo bank youtuber is being exposed
Here is another proof. The *** rabo bank youtuber is being exposed
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