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Peyroteo94 said:
Visma will not pace the first big mountain stage (if nothing strange happens).
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If you understand Visma's tactics (which you don't, as you've repeatedly shown) they probably will pace, since it's in Vingegaard's advantage compared to Pogacar if the stage is hard from the beginning, and not just an explosive final few kilometers.
 
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theyoungest said:
If you understand Visma's tactics (which you don't, as you've repeatedly shown) they probably will pace, since it's in Vingegaard's advantage compared to Pogacar if the stage is hard from the beginning, and not just an explosive final few kilometers.
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The idea that Pogacar is less suited to a high pace is a myth.

Just look at the races where Vignegaard isn't there; it's Pogacar who demands a high pace.
 
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theyoungest said:
If you understand Visma's tactics (which you don't, as you've repeatedly shown) they probably will pace, since it's in Vingegaard's advantage compared to Pogacar if the stage is hard from the beginning, and not just an explosive final few kilometers.
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UAE will nuke this first mountain stage. They always do that.
 
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Cycling111 said:
The idea that Pogacar is less suited to a high pace is a myth.

Just look at the races where Vignegaard isn't there; it's Pogacar who demands a high pace.
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It's about what suits Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. If they take it easy all day and then sprint up the final climb, Pogi opens up a bigger gap than if it's been hard all day. It blunts the sharp edges of his attack... is the idea.
 
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theyoungest said:
It's about what suits Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. If they take it easy all day and then sprint up the final climb, Pogi opens up a bigger gap than if it's been hard all day. It blunts the sharp edges of his attack... is the idea.
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That's not true. If the stage is easier, Vingegaard is fresher to reduce time gaps. At this point, Vingegaard has no weapons against Pogacar.
 
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theyoungest said:
It's about what suits Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. If they take it easy all day and then sprint up the final climb, Pogi opens up a bigger gap than if it's been hard all day. It blunts the sharp edges of his attack... is the idea.
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Not so. Pogacar has always demanded pace from his team in stage races.

And that's also evident in the classics. Pogacar is more superior in Monuments of over 250 km than in classics of 150 km because the accumulation of efforts benefits him.
This has been the case for years.
 
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theyoungest said:
It's about what suits Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. If they take it easy all day and then sprint up the final climb, Pogi opens up a bigger gap than if it's been hard all day. It blunts the sharp edges of his attack... is the idea.
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The pace was hard every day last year and Vingegaard was worn down. 2023 both teams made it hard and there was multiple stages of UAE derailing the Visma train. Both teams will work hard this year at the pace with one or two stages of one being better than the other.
 
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SHAD0W93 said:
The pace was hard every day last year and Vingegaard was worn down. 2023 both teams made it hard and there was multiple stages of UAE derailing the Visma train. Both teams will work hard this year at the pace with one or two stages of one being better than the other.
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Pogacar's 2023 Tour is underrated because of the time he lost in the final week.

In his worst Tour, he outperformed Vingegaard in three stages. He collapsed in the final week, but in the second, he was able to outperform him in some stages.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
That's not true. If the stage is easier, Vingegaard is fresher to reduce time gaps. At this point, Vingegaard has no weapons against Pogacar.
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I'm not saying it will work, the Tour will be boring as hell. But it is what won them those two Tours.

And once again, it's about the strength of Vingegaard relative to Pogi's strength. As a team you try to come up with a tactic that suits your rider's particular skill set. It's not that Pogi can't handle a long and hard race, but relatively to Vingegaard the gap becomes smaller... and eventually Vingegaard overtook him, twice.

Cycling111 said:
Not so. Pogacar has always demanded pace from his team in stage races.

And that's also evident in the classics. Pogacar is more superior in Monuments of over 250 km than in classics of 150 km because the accumulation of efforts benefits him.
This has been the case for years.
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For the umpteenth time, it's about Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. What's so difficult to understand about that?
 
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theyoungest said:
I'm not saying it will work, the Tour will be boring as hell. But it is what won them those two Tours.

And once again, it's about the strength of Vingegaard relative to Pogi's strength. As a team you try to come up with a tactic that suits your rider's particular skill set. It's not that Pogi can't handle a long and hard race, but relatively to Vingegaard the gap becomes smaller... and eventually Vingegaard overtook him, twice.


For the umpteenth time, it's about Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. What's so difficult to understand about that?
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Nah, in 2022 the numbers card played his role. In 2023, Pogacar lost the Tour in the TT. The hardest stage was probably stage 14 and Vingegaard went really deep to not let Pogacar go away.
From what I have followed Pogacar's career, he only had one weakness: Heat. I think he is not vulnerable to hot weather anymore.
And before some people say altitude, I just ask if Vingegaard could drop Pogacar in a high mountain stage in the Giro with cold weather. I don't think so.
 
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Cycling111 said:
Pogacar's 2023 Tour is underrated because of the time he lost in the final week.

In his worst Tour, he outperformed Vingegaard in three stages. He collapsed in the final week, but in the second, he was able to outperform him in some stages.
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For 2 weeks it was on course for being the closest TDF ever.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
A reasonable guy.

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I would not be the least surprised if he shows up 5-10% stronger than June
 
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