Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[theyoungest]

On the long mountains, Almeida will cook Visma before Pogacar's attack.

Maybe, but there was not exactly a lot of competition here in Suisse, so it's difficult to say how good Almeida actually is.

Also, it doesn't really matter either way, Pogacar will win because he's just that much better than Vingegaard at this point in his career. Whether they have Almeida there or not.

 

[YavorD]

This doesn't happen when is UAE pacing the race. First mountain stage will finish on Hautacam. Before they start the climb, Politt, Wellens and Narvaez will reduce the peloton to 40 riders. He will not be far bahind at the bottom of Hautacam.

I find it just as likely that Visma is pacing the multi mountain stages.

 

[Peyroteo94]

40? Pog, Jonas and a few of their respective domestiques, Rogla & Remco without.

So do you believe those I mentioned will reduce the peloton to 15 riders?
I'm pretty sure Sivakov will only pace in Hautacam, not before.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I find it just as likely that Visma is pacing the multi mountain stages.

Visma will not pace the first big mountain stage (if nothing strange happens).

 

[AmRacer]

So do you believe those I mentioned will reduce the peloton to 15 riders?
I'm pretty sure Sivakov will only pace in Hautacam, not before.

Visma and UAE will reduce the peloton to less than 15 riders on every mountain stage. Those who still there will be without helpers.

 

[theyoungest]

Visma will not pace the first big mountain stage (if nothing strange happens).

If you understand Visma's tactics (which you don't, as you've repeatedly shown) they probably will pace, since it's in Vingegaard's advantage compared to Pogacar if the stage is hard from the beginning, and not just an explosive final few kilometers.

 

[Cycling111]

If you understand Visma's tactics (which you don't, as you've repeatedly shown) they probably will pace, since it's in Vingegaard's advantage compared to Pogacar if the stage is hard from the beginning, and not just an explosive final few kilometers.

The idea that Pogacar is less suited to a high pace is a myth.

Just look at the races where Vignegaard isn't there; it's Pogacar who demands a high pace.

 

[Peyroteo94]

If you understand Visma's tactics (which you don't, as you've repeatedly shown) they probably will pace, since it's in Vingegaard's advantage compared to Pogacar if the stage is hard from the beginning, and not just an explosive final few kilometers.

UAE will nuke this first mountain stage. They always do that.

 

[AmRacer]

The idea that Pogacar is less suited to a high pace is a myth.

Just look at the races where Vignegaard isn't there; it's Pogacar who demands a high pace.

Yeah, but comparative it's to Jonas only advantage. They need to try

 

[Peyroteo94]

Combloux was a super hard stage all day. Novak did a wonderful job.

 

[yaf2]

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Pogacar breathing heavy while with narvaez😯 there is still a chance...😉😅

 

[Peyroteo94]

Training with Narvaez and putting 340 watts after 4 hours while singing.
His BPM around 145. Just a casual zone 2 ride! Monster is ready to rock!

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Pogacar breathing heavy while with narvaez😯 there is still a chance...😉😅

Wow, you were first.

 

[theyoungest]

The idea that Pogacar is less suited to a high pace is a myth.

Just look at the races where Vignegaard isn't there; it's Pogacar who demands a high pace.

It's about what suits Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. If they take it easy all day and then sprint up the final climb, Pogi opens up a bigger gap than if it's been hard all day. It blunts the sharp edges of his attack... is the idea.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It's about what suits Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. If they take it easy all day and then sprint up the final climb, Pogi opens up a bigger gap than if it's been hard all day. It blunts the sharp edges of his attack... is the idea.

That's not true. If the stage is easier, Vingegaard is fresher to reduce time gaps. At this point, Vingegaard has no weapons against Pogacar.

 

[Cycling111]

It's about what suits Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. If they take it easy all day and then sprint up the final climb, Pogi opens up a bigger gap than if it's been hard all day. It blunts the sharp edges of his attack... is the idea.

Not so. Pogacar has always demanded pace from his team in stage races.

And that's also evident in the classics. Pogacar is more superior in Monuments of over 250 km than in classics of 150 km because the accumulation of efforts benefits him.
This has been the case for years.

 

[SHAD0W93]

It's about what suits Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. If they take it easy all day and then sprint up the final climb, Pogi opens up a bigger gap than if it's been hard all day. It blunts the sharp edges of his attack... is the idea.

The pace was hard every day last year and Vingegaard was worn down. 2023 both teams made it hard and there was multiple stages of UAE derailing the Visma train. Both teams will work hard this year at the pace with one or two stages of one being better than the other.

 

[Cycling111]

The pace was hard every day last year and Vingegaard was worn down. 2023 both teams made it hard and there was multiple stages of UAE derailing the Visma train. Both teams will work hard this year at the pace with one or two stages of one being better than the other.

Pogacar's 2023 Tour is underrated because of the time he lost in the final week.

In his worst Tour, he outperformed Vingegaard in three stages. He collapsed in the final week, but in the second, he was able to outperform him in some stages.

 

[theyoungest]

That's not true. If the stage is easier, Vingegaard is fresher to reduce time gaps. At this point, Vingegaard has no weapons against Pogacar.

I'm not saying it will work, the Tour will be boring as hell. But it is what won them those two Tours.

And once again, it's about the strength of Vingegaard relative to Pogi's strength. As a team you try to come up with a tactic that suits your rider's particular skill set. It's not that Pogi can't handle a long and hard race, but relatively to Vingegaard the gap becomes smaller... and eventually Vingegaard overtook him, twice.

Not so. Pogacar has always demanded pace from his team in stage races.

And that's also evident in the classics. Pogacar is more superior in Monuments of over 250 km than in classics of 150 km because the accumulation of efforts benefits him.
This has been the case for years.

For the umpteenth time, it's about Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. What's so difficult to understand about that?

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'm not saying it will work, the Tour will be boring as hell. But it is what won them those two Tours.

And once again, it's about the strength of Vingegaard relative to Pogi's strength. As a team you try to come up with a tactic that suits your rider's particular skill set. It's not that Pogi can't handle a long and hard race, but relatively to Vingegaard the gap becomes smaller... and eventually Vingegaard overtook him, twice.


For the umpteenth time, it's about Vingegaard relative to Pogacar. What's so difficult to understand about that?

Nah, in 2022 the numbers card played his role. In 2023, Pogacar lost the Tour in the TT. The hardest stage was probably stage 14 and Vingegaard went really deep to not let Pogacar go away.
From what I have followed Pogacar's career, he only had one weakness: Heat. I think he is not vulnerable to hot weather anymore.
And before some people say altitude, I just ask if Vingegaard could drop Pogacar in a high mountain stage in the Giro with cold weather. I don't think so.

 

[YavorD]

Vingegaard could drop Pogacar in a high mountain stage in the Giro with cold weather. I don't think so.

Of course he us not able to do it, they are mostly cancelled/shortened nowadays 😅.

 

[Peyroteo94]

A reasonable guy.

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[hayneplane]

Pogacar's 2023 Tour is underrated because of the time he lost in the final week.

In his worst Tour, he outperformed Vingegaard in three stages. He collapsed in the final week, but in the second, he was able to outperform him in some stages.

For 2 weeks it was on course for being the closest TDF ever.

 

[scribers]

A reasonable guy.

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I would not be the least surprised if he shows up 5-10% stronger than June

 

[Cycling111]

I would not be the least surprised if he shows up 5-10% stronger than June

Vingegaard?