Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

The gap to Almeida will become infinitely big tomorrow, since he has abandoned the race. Which is too bad as he was Pogi's strongest helper... but in the end it won't really matter if Pogi is as strong as he has been for quite some time now.

Stage 11 will also have a climb very steep in the end so let's see if Pogacar can drop Vingegaard there or will just wait for Narvaez to pace.

 

[scribers]

Stage 11 will also have a climb very steep in the end so let's see if Pogacar can drop Vingegaard there or will just wait for Narvaez to pace.

Being 1 minute behind Vingo/visma will need to set the pace

 

[hayneplane]

Sometimes it's harder to control a stage like tomorrow's. Because it starts uphill and there's no flat section. And because there are more riders capable of handling the mid-mountain stage than the high-mountain stage, so tomorrow's break probabbly will be more competitive than a high-mountain stage.

I agree that the shorter climbs encourage more riders to think they have a chance and can ride high power 8-12 minutes uphill than can sustain it 20-25 minutes on a cat 1 or HC climb.

The mountain train tapping out a gap controlling rhythm is much easier to do on the multi high mountains than an up and down all day parcours like tomorrow.

 

[Miha81]

What was this showing? It doesn’t work anymore.

TJV helping UAE in feeding zone.

 

[scribers]

Probably what will happen is another accidental win by Pogi from just following wheels. But this scenario begins with managing who gets into the break.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Probably what will happen is another accidental win by Pogi from just following wheels. But this scenario begins with managing who gets into the break.

There is a strong possibility Visma will lead Pogacar to another win.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

TJV helping UAE in feeding zone.

Acknowledging they were in the wrong the other day. Good for them.

 

[scribers]

There is a strong possibility Visma will lead Pogacar to another win.

Yep. And if Jorg is up front, no Visma lead out.

 

[Miha81]

Acknowledging they were in the wrong the other day. Good for them.

Hopefully these mind games will stop now and they will let the legs do the talking

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yep. And if Jorg is up front, no Visma lead out.

They will do everything to put Wout in the early break and Matteo will try to bridge before the second last climb.

 

[scribers]

Was just coming in to say that about Wout. If you noticed, he was nowhere today. Unfortunately for him (and Visma) today was really hard on everybody.

If Wout gets in the break, Jorg and Vingo take turns trying to bridge to him on one of or multiple climbs.

 

[AmRacer]

Was just coming in to say that about Wout. If you noticed, he was nowhere today. Unfortunately for him (and Visma) today was really hard on everybody.

If Wout gets in the break, Jorg and Vingo take turns trying to bridge to him on one of or multiple climbs.

With Pogi following

 

[scribers]

UAE can't afford to put anyone into the break. They have to save all bullets and utilize all energies to stay on top of things.

 

[scribers]

With Pogi following

Do you think he can manage multiple attacks? And at what point does it make sense for him to let Jorg go and focus on Vingo?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I think there's a 95% chance we see Wout in the break tomorrow.

 

[AmRacer]

Do you think he can manage multiple attacks? And at what point does it make sense for him to let Jorg go and focus on Vingo?

Jorg isn't a threat, he should only focus on Jonas. He will eventually catch Jorg when he tries to drop Jonas.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Do you think he can manage multiple attacks? And at what point does it make sense for him to let Jorg go and focus on Vingo?

He should just superglue to Jonas' wheel and let his teammates (if possible) chase Jorge.

 

[scribers]

He should just superglue to Jonas' wheel and let his teammates (if possible) chase Jorge.

What would the teammates following achieve in that moment? if it is just to have a body there, then should someone glue themselves to Wout for the first desperate break attempts?

 

[scribers]

Jorg isn't a threat, he should only focus on Jonas. He will eventually catch Jorg when he tries to drop Jonas.

Fair enough. But we can agree there is a diminishing return when it comes to when to allow Jorg up the road and how many people it takes to keep him from gaining 5-7 minutes?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

What would the teammates following achieve in that moment? if it is just to have a body there, then should someone glue themselves to Wout for the first desperate break attempts?

I meant his teammates (with Pogi on their wheels) should set enough tempo to keep Jorge on leasch and tire him at the same time. It will be more complicated if Pogi is isolated.

 

[scribers]

Wout is such a capable windshield on climbs like this, he certainly has to be the ace for visma tomorrow.

How many verts are too many verts for WVA?

 

[scribers]

Like, if the UAE sentiments toward jorg are even 10% of what MOU is telegraphing, jorg will be the bait up the road to remove Kj from Pogi.

 

[Cycling111]

Jorgenson looked incapable of winning the Giro. He's not going to win the Tour.


Look how much he lost last year. Jorgenson is going to lose much more than 7 minutes in the high mountains.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Jorgenson looked incapable of winning the Giro. He's not going to win the Tour.


Look how much he lost last year. Jorgenson is going to lose much more than 7 minutes in the high mountains.

Those are rational arguments but at this moment he's losing way less and Pogacar could decide to chase him indeed (regarding Jorge as too strong GC rider to let him go).

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar can lose this because he is too confident in himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he started responding to multiple attacks from Visma.