Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Miha81]

He can see all of pogis body and position within the incident. Pog wasn’t on his wheel

He was focused to follow the wheels and accelerate. Do not know why exactly but anyway.

If Pog is OK you will laugh at this on Saturday. Rainy and cold day incoming

 

[Cycling111]

Even if nothing is broken, with those abrasions, he won't rest well.And the bruises hurt more in the days afterward.

 

[dazaau]

I think Pogacar should pull out of the race and focus on the Vuelta and Worlds. It's not possible to compete with Jonas when you have missing skin and bruises.

Struth the reactions here vary wildly

 

[Rackham]

Of course he's hurt. The degree of which is not yet known and could only be a single % or even less. But no one here can say with a straight face that Pog's performance on Hautacam tomorrow will be the same if he hadn't crashed. No way.

And if he does obliterate everyone, it simply means he had an even bigger margin.

 

[Cycling111]

Every crash is race incident. What does this even mean? He should get a yellow card at least.

It should be yellow.

That action in a final sprint is yellow, but with 3 km to go, why not?

 

[Salvarani]

He rode over pogis front wheel and did it from behind

Ran him over.

 

[rafa92]

Even if nothing is broken, with those abrasions, he won't rest well.And the bruises hurt more in the days afterward.

we have no idea, after the race he actually looked good given the circumstances, remco looked worst on stage 3 after his crash and in the stage 5 TT he was on his normal level

 

[scribers]

He was focused to follow the wheels and accelerate. Do not know why exactly but anyway.

If Pog is OK you will laugh at this on Saturday. Rainy and cold day incoming

There is a reason why riders don't ride like this around the top favorites. Maybe they take hard lines with others in the peloton, but not the favorites. I don't know what this looks like in the peloton tomorrow, but he outta just hang in the back and stay away from the larger riders of favorites. I wouldn't want this guy close to my team.

 

[Extinction]

Not true with Almeida out. Yates looking like a retired man and Sivakov sick.

Tomorrow it would have been a peak Vingo + 3 Visma vs Pogi.

I don't think so, all Visma could have done was drop his team, but not Pogacar, who would have destroyed Vingegaard. Now, maybe, Gianetti's protegge will be less dominant.

 

[rafa92]

There is a reason why riders don't ride like this around the top favorites. Maybe they take hard lines with others in the peloton, but not the favorites. I don't know what this looks like in the peloton tomorrow, but he outta just hang in the back and stay away from the larger riders of favorites. I wouldn't want this guy close to my team.

exactly, UCI should take these things seriously instead of taking ridiculous decisions about safety. Most of safety problems arise because of riders' behaviour and this is a prime example of that. The UNO x rider should leave this race

 

[Kedjan]

Pog was on the radio and a bit inattentative, didn't really follow the flow of that small bunch. But, THJ came from behind and cut him off quite aggressively, hard to deny that.

The crash will surely have an affect on him, at least the first couple of days. Question is how much it will affect him.

If he attacks tomorrow we can draw the conclusion it wasn't too bad.

 

[Monsi]

Pog was on the radio and a bit inattentative, didn't really follow the flow of that small bunch. But, THJ came from behind and cut him off quite aggressively, hard to deny that.

The crash will surely have an affect on him, at least the first couple of days. Question is how much it will affect him.

If he attacks tomorrow we can draw the conclusion it wasn't too bad.

He will attack. 100%.

 

[Rou]

Pog was on the radio and a bit inattentative, didn't really follow the flow of that small bunch. But, THJ came from behind and cut him off quite aggressively, hard to deny that.

The crash will surely have an affect on him, at least the first couple of days. Question is how much it will affect him.

If he attacks tomorrow we can draw the conclusion it wasn't too bad.

I think the effect will be felt first on the MTT and more on the Superbagneres stage.

 

[rafa92]

Pog was on the radio and a bit inattentative, didn't really follow the flow of that small bunch. But, THJ came from behind and cut him off quite aggressively, hard to deny that.

The crash will surely have an affect on him, at least the first couple of days. Question is how much it will affect him.

If he attacks tomorrow we can draw the conclusion it wasn't too bad.

flow of the bunch? inattentive? a rider deviated and sprinted directly into his handlebar, not even the wheel, he went directly into his handlebar

 

[Kedjan]

He will attack. 100%.

We can hope so, but we don't know that yet. It will depend on how badly he is hurt. Will he be able to sleep ok? How energydraining will the healing be?

 

[Extinction]

flow of the bunch? inattentive? a rider deviated and sprinted directly into his handlebar, not even the wheel, he went directly into his handlebar

Nah, he was just moving ahead. It's up to the guy behind to pay attention to what's going on.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think the effect will be felt first on the MTT and more on the Superbagneres stage.

It's already tomorrow and he will not have a single day to "rest"

 

[yaf2]

what are you talking about, a rider made a deviation a sprinted directly into his front wheel

Why the hell is he following jorgenson? He has been doing it this whole tour & todays was even more frustrating. Narvaez was in the group when he is trying to close the attack of jorgenson on a flat mate on a flat😡
What was vismas strategy going into this tour? It was to try to create chaos in the hope he make a mistake otherwise pound for pound they knew they can't beat him & guess what he does.. makes the mistakes almost relentlessly. Its obvious they're trying to get in his head & he should get calm, let jorgenson attack and make narvaez pace. Although there is deviation from Johansson the crash is the addition of all this chaos in his head which he should have enjoyed a calm race today

 

[Oldman]

The way how he jumped back on his feet and bike, it's comforting. I don't even see much damage to clothing, which is usually a clue. No blood. No big tears. It doesn't look that bad. Obviously, it would have been better to stand, but that's racing.

The combination of surprise, urgency and anger can make you do amazing things. He did seem to avoid any hard contact and the one upright barrier was spring-mounted. That doesn't mean tomorrow it won't hurt but he'll get serious physio attention now and a good warmup tomorrow.

He knows how it feels from Primoz's perspective to have random idiots take you out.

 

[rafa92]

Why the hell is he following jorgenson? He has been doing it this whole tour & todays was even more frustrating. Narvaez was in the group when he is trying to close the attack of jorgenson on a flat mate on a flat😡
What was vismas strategy going into this tour? It was to try to create chaos in the hope he make a mistake otherwise pound for pound they knew they can't beat him & guess what he does.. makes the mistakes almost relentlessly. Its obvious they're trying to get in his head & he should get calm, let jorgenson attack and make narvaez pace. Although there is deviation from Johansson the crash is the addition of all this chaos in his head which he should have enjoyed a calm race today

come on, jorgenson attacks have nothing to do with this, if a rider decides to sprint into your wheel and crash you out there's nothing you can do

 

[MarioeTheo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945507078644043948

Thank God.

 

[Peyroteo94]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945507078644043948

Thank God.

He doesn't have anything big. This doesn't mean he isn't hurt.

 

[YavorD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945507078644043948

Thank God.

He is never gonna say "he feels horrible" though.

I suppose they will always try to say he feels good doesn't matter how bad he feels.

 

[MarioeTheo]

He doesn't have anything big. This doesn't mean he isn't hurt.

Yes, of course it can and will affect him in some ways, but fortunately he can still fight for the Tour.

And after this crash, this is all we can hope for.

 

[Oldman]

Why the hell is he following jorgenson? He has been doing it this whole tour & todays was even more frustrating. Narvaez was in the group when he is trying to close the attack of jorgenson on a flat mate on a flat😡
What was vismas strategy going into this tour? It was to try to create chaos in the hope he make a mistake otherwise pound for pound they knew they can't beat him & guess what he does.. makes the mistakes almost relentlessly. Its obvious they're trying to get in his head & he should get calm, let jorgenson attack and make narvaez pace. Although there is deviation from Johansson the crash is the addition of all this chaos in his head which he should have enjoyed a calm race today

I think he follows Matteo because he has a clear shot and it's and easier positioning than trying to fight through the other guys. If you can roll up as smoothly as he has it doesn't take too much energy.
As for JV's tactics; I've been critical as they have proven to be waste piled on top of waste. Their whole team will start to show the wear and tear at just the wrong time. The other reason he pursues Matteo is that he respects his abilities and he is a threat.