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A Yates really should have been in that final group somewhere. But instead he didn't pull at all and got squatted way too early in the climb.
I agree with you whole heartedly on Camp and Benoot. Like what was campi doing all the way up there? And pulling the *** out of Vingo to boot! A Yates should have been around for that.
- Oct 30, 2023
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Is he that far off of any of those jerseys?Looks solid and in control for yellow. Too bad that he seems to not want to do a yellow/green/polka treble
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I kinda liked it! lol
Gunning up behind the Total Energies dude and breathing down his neck. hahaha
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in the TT he pushed more watts but for 2 minutes less, overall the performance was similar, but you are right, in the dauphine he was better because he did it after an hard stage and he arrived to the finish in total control
- Jul 8, 2017
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Very much agree with the second point.
And that's why I said before the Tour that I don't think he'll reach his level from last yea, despite no Giro.
Because he was preparing for a GT(s) all season long instead of toying his heavy ass around Roubaix in april.
- Apr 13, 2025
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It's a hater Twitter account that is dedicated to distorting a lot of information.
Hello everyone, my first post here even though I've been casually browsing this forum for a while.
I think the momentum has shifted a lot since the beginning of the Tour. Before the start there was an almost unanimous consent over here that Pog will destroy the Tour and break all the climbing records. It was also the same regarding the gap to Vingegaard and that they are not in the same league anymore.
However things are not actually like that, especially the later, and Vingo can still hurt and push him a lot. I think the discussion about conserving energy for Vuelta is actually irrelevant at this point, because, as I was saying, the momentum is shifting day by day, Vingo is gaining more and more confidence and I feel that even if Pog hangs on and wins the Tour, if Vingo manages to drop him even a single time until the end, what do you guys think will happen in the Vuelta ? At the moment I am struggling to see a scenario where Pog could drop Vingo again, either in the Tour or Vuelta if they face each other again this year.
The reality is that Pogacar only dropped Vingo one single time this Tour and that was after an imense lead out by Narvaez. I would dare to say the gap isn't that big, if there even is one at the moment. After the demolition in Dauphine things just went pretty 'underwhelming' in the Tour, even if it sounds harsh.
The team has been very bad (except for Narvaez and Wellens), and unlucky with Almeida's crash but the only other possible explanation that I can find is that Vingo definitely came undercooked in the Dauphine and that Pog peaked a little bit too soon. Can't be just the bike or the crash. Or maybe we need to accept the reality that, again, the gap between him and Vingo maybe doesn't exist at the moment.
Anyways, sorry for the long post, I lost a lot of confidence after the last days, just hoping he can somehow hang on and take this over the line, but it will be very, very hard and Visma & Vingo will put him through hell.
I think the momentum has shifted a lot since the beginning of the Tour. Before the start there was an almost unanimous consent over here that Pog will destroy the Tour and break all the climbing records. It was also the same regarding the gap to Vingegaard and that they are not in the same league anymore.
However things are not actually like that, especially the later, and Vingo can still hurt and push him a lot. I think the discussion about conserving energy for Vuelta is actually irrelevant at this point, because, as I was saying, the momentum is shifting day by day, Vingo is gaining more and more confidence and I feel that even if Pog hangs on and wins the Tour, if Vingo manages to drop him even a single time until the end, what do you guys think will happen in the Vuelta ? At the moment I am struggling to see a scenario where Pog could drop Vingo again, either in the Tour or Vuelta if they face each other again this year.
The reality is that Pogacar only dropped Vingo one single time this Tour and that was after an imense lead out by Narvaez. I would dare to say the gap isn't that big, if there even is one at the moment. After the demolition in Dauphine things just went pretty 'underwhelming' in the Tour, even if it sounds harsh.
The team has been very bad (except for Narvaez and Wellens), and unlucky with Almeida's crash but the only other possible explanation that I can find is that Vingo definitely came undercooked in the Dauphine and that Pog peaked a little bit too soon. Can't be just the bike or the crash. Or maybe we need to accept the reality that, again, the gap between him and Vingo maybe doesn't exist at the moment.
Anyways, sorry for the long post, I lost a lot of confidence after the last days, just hoping he can somehow hang on and take this over the line, but it will be very, very hard and Visma & Vingo will put him through hell.
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It was just stage 15 that Vingo had to chase alone 20k without his team.
The momentum literally has not shifted. Visma had a nice day out and Pogi broke the climbing record while maintaining his 4+ minute advantage.
The Vuelta? It can wait if necessary. Worlds and another Monument await
The momentum literally has not shifted. Visma had a nice day out and Pogi broke the climbing record while maintaining his 4+ minute advantage.
The Vuelta? It can wait if necessary. Worlds and another Monument await
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U can check the watts 2 win website by clicking pogacars whole career performance & dont be surprised todays performance isn't even in his top 7
- Mar 28, 2014
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"But the one thing they love more than a hero, is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying.”
Me everytime I see Pogacar no winning and read comments here and there 😂 I'm not even mentioning some eminent profiles on X( we all know who they are) who act as if they are impartial but who are secretly hoping to see him falling apart. 😂😂
- May 3, 2010
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The team messed up tactically today. Politt did superb work, but the rest of the team didn't help. Sending Soler and Sivakov in the break was pointless. If they had just made a train to keep the gap under five minutes, Pogacar would have won on the Mont Ventoux in yellow. Breaking the climbing record without winning the stage is a missed opportunity. Of course defending yellow is the most important thing, but this chance probably won't come back.
- Jul 8, 2015
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I just dont get it so much hate regarding Pogi, he is a lovely guy and an outstanding cyclist, lets just enjoy it please.
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*** the Vuelta. If you race this race with the Vuelta in mind against Vingegaard and Visma, you deserve to lose. Third tier GT and I can assure you Pog aint thinking about that right now. Chris Froome could do it because he faced absolute meme competition in 2016 and especially 2017
The plan was always to smash Hautacam, smash Peyragudes, ride defensively to Superbagneres and potentially counter Jonas if opportunity arose and deal the final and killing blow on Ventoux IMO and render the stages in the alps meaningless. He could not do that today, and he would have if he had the legs. Now Visma and Jonas smell blood and will unleash hell on Madeleine, I can assure you that much. If Pogacar gets dropped there, he most likely loses the Tour if Visma plays these stages like they usually do and UAE continues to be tactically inept and just rely on Pog strength.
The plan was always to smash Hautacam, smash Peyragudes, ride defensively to Superbagneres and potentially counter Jonas if opportunity arose and deal the final and killing blow on Ventoux IMO and render the stages in the alps meaningless. He could not do that today, and he would have if he had the legs. Now Visma and Jonas smell blood and will unleash hell on Madeleine, I can assure you that much. If Pogacar gets dropped there, he most likely loses the Tour if Visma plays these stages like they usually do and UAE continues to be tactically inept and just rely on Pog strength.
Completely agree with that. If Pog really wants to race the Vuelta he needs someone more reliable than Narvaez on the long climbs / difficult mountain stages who can really launch him and the only one I can think of is Del Toro. Otherwise, I am really struggling to imagine how he can drop Vingegaard by himself. The same can be said about next year's Tour.
- Jan 11, 2010
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He's over 4 minutes ahead... of course he can collapse completely, it has happened before, but that was before his switch in trainers. The Ventoux is the first climb where Vingegaard ever dropped Pogacar a few years ago and in terms of the effort it just suits him way more than it does Pogi. Still Pogi managed to hang on today and even attack, so I wouldn't be too worried.
I have to say that today was the first time I saw Vingegaard with somewhat of the same ease he had in his best days in 22-23, so that's maybe a worry if you're a Pogi fan, but then again he crashed after the stage so that should take away some of that newfound form.
The 4 min gap is obviously comforting but at the same time it can prove to be useless if what @Valv.Piti is suggesting will happen. Vingo drops Pog on Madeleine and it's game over. At the level that these 2 are riding right now it takes a single 'drop' to completely kill the other.
- Jan 11, 2010
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That's what people tend to ignore in these lists. "Oh, Simon Yates beat Froomey's time on the Finestre by a few minutes!" Yes, as did about 10 other riders. Apparently the conditions were quite different. Or maybe the collective peloton has gotten a lot better (I think it has).
- May 22, 2024
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lol today vinge couldnot create cm of separation,while pog in his attack created separation easy.now vinge will drop him on madelaine.lets be serius.only if pog has historic bad day.
- Jul 8, 2017
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But Pogacar doesn't really need to drop Vingegaard, so why worry?
If the gap is small, Vingegaard won't be able to drop Pogacar as well in Pog just wins the sprint, so there's that.
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