Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Lequack]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947924058080673882

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[Rou]

There's a big difference between dropping on the last 5 or 10 km of a climb and then getting drop on a full gas Madeleine with 70 km to go with Loze still to go. That's obviously the scenario Im talking about. Probably won't happen, but Visma will try their absolute hardest now after what they saw yesterday.

I hope it doesn't backfire like Hautacam for them.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I hope it doesn't backfire like Hautacam for them.

They don't have another choice. Losing for 6 minutes is the same as losing for 1 second.

 

[Peyroteo94]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947924058080673882

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First, he must win yellow and then try to win on Champs Elysees.

 

[Rou]

Pogacar with his dominance is in such a position that everytime he doesn't win by 30+ secs people are calling him weaker.
The guy has a lead of 4:15 + 4 Stage Wins and can suck wheels every day if he wants to conserve energy.
I know us Pog fans want to see Poggenheimers every stage but he knows what he's doing.
Following the plan. Enjoy the show.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar with his dominance is in such a position that everytime he doesn't win by 30+ secs people are calling him weaker.
The guy has a lead of 4:15 + 4 Stage Wins and can suck wheels every day if he wants to conserve energy.
I know us Pog fans want to see Poggenheimers every stage but he knows what he's doing.
Following the plan. Enjoy the show.

If he is racing like this to conserve energy and doesn't race the Vuelta, I will be disappointed.

 

[Rou]

If he is racing like this to conserve energy and doesn't race the Vuelta, I will be disappointed.

The plan after hopefully winning the Tour is:
Winning Vuelta
Winning World's
Winning Lombardia
If he succeeds it will be the best season in history - much better than anything Merckx did.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The plan after hopefully winning the Tour is:
Winning Vuelta
Winning World's
Winning Lombardia
If he succeeds it will be the best season in history - much better than anything Merckx did.

Of course. The best season ever is Pogacar 2024. This beats 2024.

 

[No Excuses]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947924058080673882

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I consider betting on Vingegaard, to be safe in every scenario. If pog wins, i'm happy otherwise i gain a *** load of money

 

[Psycat]

I hope it doesn't backfire like Hautacam for them.

Doubt they care much, sure a stage win for Vingegaard even if he doesn't gain any meaningful time on Pogacar they would probably care about but I don't see that as likely given what we have seen over the past 2 years or so. Best hope for a stage win is probably just that, dropping him hard, even if it doesn't result in 4 minutes or whatever.

Guess Pogacar gifting a stage is not totally out of the question given that Vinge more or less did after Pogacar cracked on Loze, atleast he didn't actively ride to prevent him from winning, but it seems Pogacar doesn't like to share his toys.

Otherwise Vinge already won two tours and finished second twice and even if he "blows up" I am not so sure there is anybody strong enough to capitalize and snatch the second spot, Bora guys could do it I suppose but even then if he totally bonks it would be after a hard effort so they would likely have some in-stage catchup to do and there is always the stage after.

 

[YavorD]

The probability that Vingo overcomes the gap is small of course. Visma's idea is that if Pog loses ie 40 seconds on Madeleine (or Pre) then Vingo helped by breakaway teammates will be able to gain much more on the remaining part of the stage (including false flat).

It can totally backfire: Vingo can crack instead or Pogi can limit his losses. But its the only way for Visma right now. Alps should be exciting!

Yes, from a slightly neutral point of view, I think the bigger gap makes it much more exciting.
If the gap was 1-1.30, Vingegaard could just decide to nuke the final climbs.
Now with 4 minutes, Visma are forced to go crazy early and we may have a stage for the ages.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes, from a slightly neutral point of view, I think the bigger gap makes it much more exciting.
If the gap was 1-1.30, Vingegaard could just decide to nuke the final climbs.
Now with 4 minutes, Visma are forced to go crazy early and we may have a stage for the ages.

They would go crazy even with a 1' gap.

 

[Bombarolo]

We will never know, his body language said the opposite, so smooth. And finished totally fresh...


I think the analysis of Tom Danielson are good and interesting as always

I love Tom in depth analysis. I still think he struggled a bit during the first attack (and also Jonas was on the limit) but overall looked stronger considering the entire climb.

 

[YavorD]

They would go crazy even with a 1' gap.

I don't think they would go crazy on Madeleine with 1' gap only.

 

[MariaB]

Pogacar with his dominance is in such a position that everytime he doesn't win by 30+ secs people are calling him weaker.
The guy has a lead of 4:15 + 4 Stage Wins and can suck wheels every day if he wants to conserve energy.
I know us Pog fans want to see Poggenheimers every stage but he knows what he's doing.
Following the plan. Enjoy the show.

Yes, absolutely this!

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don't think they would go crazy on Madeleine with 1' gap only.

We will never know. But tomorrow is where the Tour will be decided, if Jonas can't drop Pogacar is game over.

 

[YavorD]

We will never know. But tomorrow is where the Tour will be decided, if Jonas can't drop Pogacar is game over.

Pretty much yeah.
If he doesn't drop him, I don't think he'll even try on Pre.
I can see a scenario where he is content to try for the stage only, as a confidence boost before the Vuelta.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pretty much yeah.
If he doesn't drop him, I don't think he'll even try on Pre.
I can see a scenario where he is content to try for the stage only, as a confidence boost before the Vuelta.

He can't win a stage if he can't drop Pogacar

 

[YavorD]

He can't win a stage if he can't drop Pogacar

Yes, but ust because he can't drop Pogacar tomorrow, doesn't mean he cant on Friday.
Not likely, of course, but you never know.

 

[MariaB]

Pretty much yeah.
If he doesn't drop him, I don't think he'll even try on Pre.
I can see a scenario where he is content to try for the stage only, as a confidence boost before the Vuelta.

I don't think he will go to the Vuelta if he lose the Tour.

 

[YavorD]

I don't think he will go to the Vuelta if he lose the Tour.

What else he would do?
Also, if he could be competitive in the Alps, he is definitely going.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don't think he will go to the Vuelta if he lose the Tour.

This doesn't make sense

 

[MariaB]

What else he would do?
Also, if he could be competitive in the Alps, he is definitely going.

Yes, from a rational perspective, I agree with you.
But thinking on a mental perspective, it will be just too much for him to be stomped in back to back GTs.

 

[YavorD]

Yes, from a rational perspective, I agree with you.
But thinking on a mental perspective, it will be just too much for him to be stomped in back to back GTs.

If he isn't dropped in the Alps, he won't be on a bad place mentally. Even if he's dropped, he probably wouldn't be that bad.

The Tour looked bleak after Hautacam, but he proved competitive in the last MTF's. I see no reason for him to be in a bad place mentally.

 

[AdonisP91]

So we have our answer! Pog is targeting Col de la Loze to shut the pundits up. (Pay attention to 56 second mark)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ach2Dvmav80