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Peyroteo94 said:
Ouch! A belgian saying this.

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“No matter which team Remco Evenepoel rides for, he’ll never win the Tour against Pogacar and Vingegaard. It’s that simple.”

It’s now been over a week since Red Bull–BORA–hansgrohe announced the signing of Remco Evenepoel from Soudal Quick-Step. The German team boss Ralph Denk has made it clear that Evenepoel isn’t joining...
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With Pogi & Urshka starting kids factory in 2028 and Trine retiring Vingo soon there are still chances for Remco.
 
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Last year it was already a bit ridiculous that some fans insisted on a joint leadership between Pogacar and Roglicin the preview of Zurich WC.

Pogacar is one of the few Slovenians who has gone to the World Championships year after year. Rogic and Mohoric have been absent many times.
Furthermore, in 2020, despite being a Tour de France winner, he made himself available to Roglic.

When you have the best in the world, who is also the one who has committed the most to going every year, the least you can do is work for him.

They already behaved badly at the Olympics by not choosing Urska for another cyclist because she was a rider on the national team coach's team. It's an obvious conflict of interest that the national women's coach was the team manager of the woman they took instead of Urska.

It still seems incredible to me that Slovenia made such a blunder last year.
If someone told me that cyclist was one of the best in the world, but she wasn't even better than Urska at anything, and in the time trial she finished second to last, just ahead of Barbados.
Can anyone imagine VDP not going to the Olympics in Holland because of things like this?
 
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Cycling111 said:
Last year it was already a bit ridiculous that some fans insisted on a joint leadership between Pogacar and Roglicin the preview of Zurich WC.

Pogacar is one of the few Slovenians who has gone to the World Championships year after year. Rogic and Mohoric have been absent many times.
Furthermore, in 2020, despite being a Tour de France winner, he made himself available to Roglic.

When you have the best in the world, who is also the one who has committed the most to going every year, the least you can do is work for him.

They already behaved badly at the Olympics by not choosing Urska for another cyclist because she was a rider on the national team coach's team. It's an obvious conflict of interest that the national women's coach was the team manager of the woman they took instead of Urska.

It still seems incredible to me that Slovenia made such a blunder last year.
If someone told me that cyclist was one of the best in the world, but she wasn't even better than Urska at anything, and in the time trial she finished second to last, just ahead of Barbados.
Can anyone imagine VDP not going to the Olympics in Holland because of things like this?
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There is a reason Slovenia is much better at mens cycling than womens, although I think Urska is putting a serious effort into changing that. The women's coach was supposed to step down this year but I am not sure if that happened.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
We need a course like Insbruck or Mendrisio.
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Its a shame that we never got to see the Aigle-Martigny Worlds which would have been a real climbers course. Imola was a decent replacement, the hardest course since Innsbrück but the climbs were still for punchers. At least Sallanches should be a climbers course and I hope the Montreal course will be as hard as Zürich.
 
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KZD said:
I don't think a course filled with punchy 1km climbs should be classified as a climbers course, even though its still climbing heavy which is what attracts someone like Vingegaard (I still doubt he will go though).
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Maybe not a typical climbers course in the past but times change. Nowadays the best climbers (Pogacar & Vingegaard) can drop everyone even on 1 km muritos. Big total amount of climbing on top of that makes it climbers friendly for sure.
 
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Vingegaard has no good results in +250km races.

It's not just about having a climb, but also knowing how to manage the mileage and the absence of earpieces.
And racing more alone than in races with comercial teams. Although Denmark is a better team than Slovenia.
 
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Cycling111 said:
Vingegaard has no good results in +250km races.

It's not just about having a climb, but also knowing how to manage the mileage and the absence of earpieces.
And running more alone than in races without comercial teams. Although Denmark is a better team than Slovenia.
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Yes, there are question marks over Vingegaard in 6 hour+ races. If he's in good form after Vuelta I would still pick him as a serious podium contender (likely for the 2nd place).
 
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Charlyghoul said:
Vingo is pure climber
Cannot compete in one day races
Will be very surprised
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Not true. He's not just aerobic monster but has decent explosivity for his size. He was competitive against MVP & Pog on much easier courses at the beginning of the Tour/Dauphine (no stage racing effect yet). Vingo is a top3 material in races like Liege/Lombardy/Fleche. He needs to be in very good form though, he's not as natural one-day racer as Pog & MVP.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Not true. He's not just aerobic monster but has decent explosivity for his size. He was competitive against MVP & Pog on much easier courses at the beginning of the Tour/Dauphine (no stage racing effect yet). Vingo is a top3 material in races like Liege/Lombardy/Fleche. He needs to be in very good form though, he's not as natural one-day racer as Pog & MVP.
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Good explosively for climber you’re right.
Think it would have to be more of a climbers course that there’s ever been for him to stand a chance at a worlds though
 
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Charlyghoul said:
Good explosively for climber you’re right.
Think it would have to be more of a climbers course that there’s ever been for him to stand a chance at a worlds though
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His only possible weakness is the distance of 250 km+. He's likely not as potent in glicogene reserves as Pogacar or MVP. Climber's friendly course (and his w/kg superiority) should partially compensate for this possible weakness as everyone else (except Pogacar) will be more on their limit during climbs.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
His only possible weakness is the distance of 250 km+. He's likely not as potent in glicogene reserves as Pogacar or MVP. Climber's friendly course (and his w/kg superiority) should partially compensate for this possible weakness as everyone else (except Pogacar) will be more on their limit during climbs.
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I’m looking now, the hill also has cobbles ? Doesn’t look ideal for Vingo. Looks like a fun course though
 
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Something similar has often happened to Roglic. In races like Emilia, he was very strong, but in Lombardia, not so much because of the mileage.
Vingegaard began to falter in the final kilometers of Lombardia in 2022.

But especially at the World Championships, he'll find himself without Visma's support. Vingegaard is a cyclist who has relied heavily on the team. Although, as I said, Denmark isn't as bad as Slovenia.

A World Championship is nothing like a stage race. Just ask Froome: six World Championship appearances, all DNFs due to poor results.
 
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