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Peyroteo94 said:
I don't disagree to be honest. Pogacar is too much a favorite to win this with this comical team.
Mohoric and Tratnik won't go and Roglic is never going to work 100% for Teddy. So Teddy only has Novak for the last 120 km.
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I think Roglic will attack on Kigali or even sooner. It his best chance and is also best thing for Pogi. They will 100% not work together, since Roglic said his big goal in fall is WC and i don't believe he is thinking about helping Tadej. If that happens and nobody follows Roglic then that is it but if they do is also good for Tadej. On the other side i can't see Tadej being 100% ok with Roglic winning so it could also happen he attacks first. Last year Roglic was non factor because of Vuelta and he totally burned out after it. This year he will be stronger.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
I don't disagree to be honest. Pogacar is too much a favorite to win this with this comical team.
Mohoric and Tratnik won't go and Roglic is never going to work 100% for Teddy. So Teddy only has Novak for the last 120 km.
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Pogi only needs a 500 meters pull from Rogla to fire his 100 km attack. It could get interesting if Vingo sticks to Pogi's wheel: this could make Teddy lose the race (not to Vingo but to another rider).

I do think that the most devastating effect would be achieved if Pog attacked like 30-50 km from the line (everybody will be tired by then). It's game over then like Lombardy 2024 (but till that moment any breakaway should be controlled, definitely Slovenia doesn't have what it takes, maybe other teams will help...or not).
 
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I think Roglic will attack on Kigali or even sooner. It his best chance and is also best thing for Pogi. They will 100% not work together, since Roglic said his big goal in fall is WC and i don't believe he is thinking about helping Tadej. If that happens and nobody follows Roglic then that is it but if they do is also good for Tadej. On the other side i can't see Tadej being 100% ok with Roglic winning so it could also happen he attacks first. Last year Roglic was non factor because of Vuelta and he totally burned out after it. This year he will be stronger.
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He is washed. Roglic will crack for sure after 220 km.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Pogi only needs a 500 meters pull from Rogla to fire his 100 km attack. It could get interesting if Vingo sticks to Pogi's wheel: this could make Teddy lose the race (not to Vingo but to another rider).

I do think that the most devastating effect would be achieved if Pog attacked like 30-50 km from the line (everybody will be tired by then). It's game over then like Lombardy 2024 (but till that moment any breakaway should be controlled, definitely Slovenia doesn't have what it takes, maybe other teams will help...or not).
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Pogacar needs Slovenia to keep the gap under 3' before his attack in Cote de Kigali Golf (the first time they pass there after Mount Kigali).
 
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I think Roglic will attack on Kigali or even sooner. It his best chance and is also best thing for Pogi. They will 100% not work together, since Roglic said his big goal in fall is WC and i don't believe he is thinking about helping Tadej. If that happens and nobody follows Roglic then that is it but if they do is also good for Tadej. On the other side i can't see Tadej being 100% ok with Roglic winning so it could also happen he attacks first. Last year Roglic was non factor because of Vuelta and he totally burned out after it. This year he will be stronger.
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In 2025, racing the World Cup with Roglic having Pogacar on the same team is a suicide.

Roglic isn't going to win with a long-distance attack.

Pogacar was subordinate to Roglic in 2020 despite winning the Tour. In 2025, the gap between them is much greater, in favor of Pogacar.

That Pogacar has to deal with egos in the national team today, being the best rider in this type of Monuments, is nonsense.
Besides, Pogacar has competed in all the World Championships with mediocre teams.
 
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In 2025, racing the World Cup with Roglic having Pogacar on the same team is a suicide.

Roglic isn't going to win with a long-distance attack.

Pogacar was subordinate to Roglic in 2020 despite winning the Tour. In 2025, the gap between them is much greater, in favor of Pogacar.

That Pogacar has to deal with egos in the national team today, being the best rider in this type of Monuments, is nonsense.
Besides, Pogacar has competed in all the World Championships with mediocre teams.
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Pogacar will never have a good team in Worlds. Slovenia is a small nation.
 
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Pogacar will never have a good team in Worlds. Slovenia is a small nation.
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Yes, for that reason, and having eaten *** for years, Pogacar doesn't care about Roglic or give up his chances to help him in an attack that I doubt will be succesful .

It's like having Jordan on the team and then taking the final shot with someone else. I like Roglic, but if Van Aert has had to be subordinate to Remco, Roglic will have to be even more in 2025. Roglic's time has passed. In this Tour has seen the difference with Pogacar. It would be crazy not to go out and "take the ball to Jordan" .

And Slovenia, unlike Belgium, being such a mediocre team, has to take a chance on the best.
 
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Yes, for that reason, and having eaten *** for years, Pogacar doesn't care about Roglic or give up his chances to help him in an attack that I doubt will be succesful .

It's like having Jordan on the team and then taking the final shot with someone else. I like Roglic, but if Van Aert has had to be subordinate to Remco, Roglic will have to be even more in 2025. Roglic's time has passed. In this Tour has seen the difference with Pogacar. It would be crazy not to go out and "take the ball to Jordan" .

And Slovenia, unlike Belgium, being such a mediocre team, has to take a chance on the best.
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Van Aert wasn't subordinate to Remco. Remco was lucky to have Wout in team in both WC2023 and OG 2024 and he won because of Wout being strong enough to follow MvDP. Roglic can/should be in Slovenia team even if he doesn't work for Pogacar. They don't have enough good riders so whatever Roglic does is still good for Slovenia.
 
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Van Aert wasn't subordinate to Remco. Remco was lucky to have Wout in team in both WC2023 and OG 2024 and he won because of Wout being strong enough to follow MvDP. Roglic can/should be in Slovenia team even if he doesn't work for Pogacar. They don't have enough good riders so whatever Roglic does is still good for Slovenia.
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For me, Van Aert's performance in thos races was that of a domestique, not a co-leader. I consider that to be subordinate.
 
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For me, Van Aert's performance in thos races was that of a domestique, not a co-leader. I consider that to be subordinate.
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How is him following MvDP first attacks in both of those races and Remco being actually dropped in both races from MvDP racing like domestique? MvDP had problem that nobody wanted to work with him. If Tadej would have been in Paris last year, he would have work with MvDP and Remco would have been dropped quite quickly.
 
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How is him following MvDP first attacks in both of those races and Remco being actually dropped in both races from MvDP racing like domestique? MvDP had problem that nobody wanted to work with him. If Tadej would have been in Paris last year, he would have work with MvDP and Remco would have been dropped quite quickly.
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WVA was very important in Paris for sure. He didn't work with MVP and allowed Remco to come back.
 
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Roglic has never been good in fall races and it’s not as much about the vuelta but about how typical cyclists peak once a year. Roglic’s base form isn’t enough to even top 10 some races like this
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That's not true. Look to his palmares in October. He won 7 classics, 5 were in fall races (I didn't count LBL 2020 despite being raced in October, because 2020 was a strange year). His best one day results are normally in October.
IMO I will not be close to win but that's because he isn't a one day racer and seems to lack endurance to race 6 hours.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
That's not true. Look to his palmares in October. He won 7 classics, 5 were in fall races (I didn't count LBL 2020 despite being raced in October, because 2020 was a strange year). His best one day results are normally in October.
IMO I will not be close to win but that's because he isn't a one day racer and seems to lack endurance to race 6 hours.
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Emelia? No offense to those that love the race, but the point stands
 
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Because he focuses the rest of the year to super peak for a specific goal this is normal. Show up and win at Emelia isn't the same as none optimal base performance at Worlds or Lombardia

If he tries to take off at Worlds on the slovenian team, he won't win and obviously wont help either. Because he doesn't focus on that portion of the season. Plus, he's old and a nonfactor. Slovenia is better off taking some young talents (if any). No roglic is already a net positive.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
No, your point is invalid. If he never was good in fall races, hth is his palmares better in fall races compared to other classics?
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For Pogacar's schedule, especially after resounding success at TDF races like Tour of Slovenia or Emelia or residual races, could win on left over form but not races he would specifically train for..
It's a conundrum for many current pros..were, when does national championship occur in the schedule.. Don't want to insult anyone but because you are national champion doesn't mean you are the best racer from that country, often means you could get yourself form and free time to do the race...** think North America**
 
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Roglic has never been good in fall races and it’s not as much about the vuelta but about how typical cyclists peak once a year. Roglic’s base form isn’t enough to even top 10 some races like this
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He´s performed well in Autumn, but in Emilia, which isn't the longest-distance race.
Roglic often struggles when the race is so long.

The World Championships are too hard for Roglic. 270km and elevation gain. If he hasn't won Lombardia, I'd give him less chances at a World Championships where there's more chaos.

But this shouldn't even be discussed sharing a national team with Pogacar.
It's like Van Aert. He would be a leader in most national teams, but with Remco, he's no longer leader.
In Slovenia, being such a weak team, the roles should be clearer. "All balls to Jordan".
 
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