Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Cycling111]

You were right. Almeida is closer to Vingegaard than Vingegaard to Pogacar.

To confirm this, we would have had to have seen Almeida in the same physical condition in the mountains of the Tour.

For example, it's impossible to conclude that Van Aert is better than Pogacar due to Paris stage. It's very different from what happened in De Ronde. The Tour left them truly fatigued. Almeida has been injured for a few days, but his legs didn't climb any of the Tour's mountains. It's difficult to evaluatethat difference, but I think the difference would have been bigger in Vingegaard's favor at the Tour.

The route was also a determining factor. I can't believe Pidcock is actually 2:38 behind Vingegaard and less than 2 minutes behind Almeida. In fact, in the Tour, I think Hindley would be way ahead of Pidcock.

 

[Peyroteo94]

To confirm this, we would have had to have seen Almeida in the same physical condition in the mountains of the Tour.

For example, it's impossible to conclude that Van Aert is better than Pogacar due to Paris stage. It's very different from what happened in De Ronde. The Tour left them truly fatigued. Almeida has been injured for a few days, but his legs didn't climb any of the Tour's mountains. It's difficult to evaluatethat difference, but I think the difference would have been bigger in Vingegaard's favor at the Tour.

The route was also a determining factor. I can't believe Pidcock is actually 2:38 behind Vingegaard and less than 2 minutes behind Almeida. In fact, in the Tour, I think Hindley would be way ahead of Pidcock.

I just promised to myself I would agree with James if Vingegaard didn't finish the Vuelta 3 minutes ahead of Almeida.
Of course I think Vingegaard is completely cooked and very underwhelming since Angliru.

 

[Cycling111]

Pogacar is a beast in 5% climbs. This is where he shines.

He said in 7%, that´s why Lombardia has always been the race that has suited him best.

5% greatly favors the specialist. It's going to be very difficult for him to beat Remco; if he does, it will be because he's managed to gain time on the descents.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He said in 7%, that´s why Lombardia has always been the race that has suited him best.

5% greatly favors the specialist. It's going to be very difficult for him to beat Remco; if he does, it will be because he's managed to gain time on the descents.

5% is for power climbers. No one has more power than Pogacar. I wouldn't favor Remco even on 3-4% gradients against peak Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar won the hilly/mountain TT in the TdF 2024 and La Turbie is a climb of 5.7%, Remco was nowhere near the level of Vingegaard or Pogacar. And that's peak Remco (stage 21 though, not a one day race).

 

[Shortcut]

I really don't see where on this course Remco should be better than Tadej. Even on 3-5% Remco shouldn't be stronger and on descent absolutely not. And after 4 times up and down Pogacar should be even stronger.

 

[Cycling111]

Pogacar won the hilly/mountain TT in the TdF 2024 and La Turbie is a climb of 5.7%, Remco was nowhere near the level of Vingegaard or Pogacar. And that's peak Remco (stage 21 though, not a one day race).

Those climbs in Nice are tougher. Specialists lose a lot of capacity in stage 21

Do we have any forum members who've been to the area?

 

[Peyroteo94]

A class act as usual

"Very sad to see him go" - Tadej Pogacar addresses Juan Ayuso's UAE fallout for first time

After months of mounting speculation and behind-the-scenes tension, it’s official: Juan Ayuso will leave UAE Team Emirates - XRG at the end of the 2025 season. In what has been one of the most turbule...

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[Peyroteo94]

Those climbs in Nice are tougher. Specialists lose a lot of capacity in stage 21

Do we have any forum members who've been to the area?

They are but Remco never showed dominance in hilly TTs like this one.

 

[Berniece]

Do we have any forum members who've been to the area?

What do you want to know? I haven’t been but the road is perfectly new, the course is not technical, but it’s still hard. Not like Nice at all, easier, but hard enough that Pogacar has a higher chance of winning than Evenepoel.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He said in 7%, that´s why Lombardia has always been the race that has suited him best.

5% greatly favors the specialist. It's going to be very difficult for him to beat Remco; if he does, it will be because he's managed to gain time on the descents.

Pogacar lost very little time to Remco on very fast TTs in the last two Tours. If he's in top form then he's favoured on 5% gradients (provided it's not a bump on a road but a few kilometers of climbing).

 

[Peyroteo94]

Finally, the GOAT is back. 6 weeks without racing, let's hope for a Poggenheimer!

 

[CyclistAbi]

A class act as usual

"Very sad to see him go" - Tadej Pogacar addresses Juan Ayuso's UAE fallout for first time

After months of mounting speculation and behind-the-scenes tension, it’s official: Juan Ayuso will leave UAE Team Emirates - XRG at the end of the 2025 season. In what has been one of the most turbule...

cyclinguptodate.com

So he wasn't the mastermind behind it after all?

As for some light reading, before the race starts:

Po počitnicah Pogačar znova na delu: lahko v tretjem poskusu osvoji Quebec?

Po šestih tednih in pol se Tadej Pogačar vrača na dirke svetovne serije. Prvi kolesar sveta se je tretjič v karieri podal na kanadski enodnevni dirki. Najprej je na sporedu lažja, a malce spremenjena VN Quebeca, na kateri Pogi še ni premagal sprinterjev.

www.rtvslo.si

 

[Peyroteo94]

So he wasn't the mastermind behind it after all?

As for some light reading, before the race starts:

Po počitnicah Pogačar znova na delu: lahko v tretjem poskusu osvoji Quebec?

Po šestih tednih in pol se Tadej Pogačar vrača na dirke svetovne serije. Prvi kolesar sveta se je tretjič v karieri podal na kanadski enodnevni dirki. Najprej je na sporedu lažja, a malce spremenjena VN Quebeca, na kateri Pogi še ni premagal sprinterjev.

www.rtvslo.si

He never was. I'm pretty sure this is all about Gianetti.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'm very curious to know what role Yates will have today.
Politt, Wellens, Sivakov and McNulty will rip the race in the first 190 km, then it's all about Narcaez and Yates. But with this team, I think Yates will not be necessary.

 

[CyclistAbi]

He never was. I'm pretty sure this is all about Gianetti.

Hard to say as we don't have enough insight plus some sports collectives tend to operate in such way, to have a scapegoat. I guess as a reminder.

I'm very curious to know what role Yates will have today.
Politt, Wellens, Sivakov and McNulty will rip the race in the first 190 km, then it's all about Narcaez and Yates. But with this team, I think Yates will be necessary.

To work for Pogi.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Hard to say as we don't have enough insight plus some sports collectives tend to operate in such way, to have a scapegoat. I guess as a reminder.



To work for Pogi.

What type of work, UAE brought a "TdF team" to these canadian classics.

 

[CyclistAbi]

What type of work, UAE brought a "TdF team" to these canadian classics.

Due to road construction there is now one semi hill involved, compared to three bumps. I guess they will drill it over there. So i guess the answer is they brought a big drill.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He never was. I'm pretty sure this is all about Gianetti.

Gianetti tried to prevent Teddy from racing PR and look what happened. He didn't want to be fired so he had no choice but to obey the real boss of the team.

So he wasn't the mastermind behind it after all?

I'm not so sure he wasn't but it seems Ayuso simply wanted this change to have a team for himself.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Novak looks very weak for the WCRR. This is not good for Pogacar.

 

[Monsi]

Novak looks very weak for the WCRR. This is not good for Pogacar.

I'm not watching yet so I don't know what happened to Novak but it's more than two weeks till WCRR so what matters is that he's at least decent by then, not now.

EDIT: My bad I thought he was at Canada but I just realized he's at Vuelta lol.

 

[AmRacer]

In one day races after WC 2022, Pogi's worst result is 7th.

 

[Peyroteo94]

In one day races after WC 2022, Pogi's worst result is 7th.

LBL DNF

 

[AmRacer]

LBL DNF

Yeah, but where he finished

 

[Cycling111]

He's never been in top shape in this race. I wouldn't make a big drama about it.

I'm getting ahead of possible comments