Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Red Rick]

Streets won't forget Contador doing 458 watts for 19'59 in the age of not knowing humans need food to do exercise.

 

[rafa92]

For now, team's performance hasn't been good at ITT.
They were average in the Mallorca TTT, although they weren't the best team. In UAE Tour bad, although Del Toro seemed to have a mover wind .

Today was disastrous, with McNulty's mechanical issue as an asterisk. But the fact that the first UAE rider was beaten by the third rider from LIDL, who is a rider from their development team, is striking.

They have a lot of work to do for the Tour de France TTT. I rule them out as having any chance of winning; teams like BORA and LIDL seem far superior in this discipline, and Visma is also very good.

Pogacar posted it.
VAM of 953m in 28'27" = VAM of 2010 m/h

please stop with the nonsense, VAM is already expressed as m/h in the computer, he was probably doing a zone 2 ride

 

[canina82]

please stop with the nonsense, VAM is already expressed as m/h in the computer, he was probably doing a zone 2 ride

His BPM were at 173. Impossible to be a zone 2 ride.
Edit: but maybe I'm wrong and he was 953m above sea level.

 

[rafa92]

His BPM were at 173. Impossible to be a zone 2 ride.

yes because in that precise moment he was pushing more than 400 watts (410 in the last 3 sec). Even in a zone 2 ride he probably does some short efforts, but I repeat you in the last 30 minutes his vam was 953, probably because the parcours was not all climbing but rather a mixed terrain (typical of the calpe area). If you really believe he was doing a 2010 vam for 30 minutes you are delusional and don't have any idea of how the measure is computed and shown on the computer

 

[James M]

Virtually no real flat for the last 80km of the stage presents the perfect opportunity to strike hard and then keep accumulating a steadily increasing lead as group 2 syndrome kicks in hard

indeed i dont get it what theyre thinking when they clearly emphasize a close race early. Imagine if they think he’ll do nothing. The guy has no chill. Of course he’ll use Tourmalet to create a gap, does the bear *** in the woods...

 

[canina82]

yes because in that precise moment he was pushing more than 400 watts (410 in the last 3 sec). Even in a zone 2 ride he probably does some short efforts, but I repeat you in the last 30 minutes his vam was 953, probably because the parcours was not all climbing but rather a mixed terrain (typical of the calpe area). If you really believe he was doing a 2010 vam for 30 minutes you are delusional and don't have any idea of how the measure is computed and shown on the computer

I already said it is possible that I am wrong. Nothing like see in races what his true level is.

 

[Monsi]

Pogačar must be pretty happy right now knowing he doesn't need to ride the UAE Tour for the coming years.

 

[canina82]

Pogačar must be pretty happy right now knowing he doesn't need to ride the UAE Tour for the coming years.

But he got a challenger in Seixas for the 2028 Olympics.

 

[Oldman]

But he got a challenger in Seixas for the 2028 Olympics.

There are plenty of challengers; few real contenders, though.

 

[Monsi]

But he got a challenger in Seixas for the 2028 Olympics.

As cliche as it may sound, time will tell. Seixas is only 19. He's got a long way to go before reaching peak Remco's level in those types of races, let along Pog's level.

 

[Cycling111]

But he got a challenger in Seixas for the 2028 Olympics.

As they say, time will tell.

A few years ago, people said Pogacar would have an easier time in San Remo today because VDP would be 30. And not only has he not declined, but VDP is stronger now than he was in 2022. He's much more dominant in races like Roubaix now, and I think four years ago VDP wouldn't have climbed the Cipressa like this.

You never know. And maybe it won't be Seixas, but someone else who wins the Tour or Olympics. The most obvious example was Vingegaard. The year Pogacar was winning his first Tour, Vingegaard was just a domestique whom Pogacar had beaten by 40 minutes two years earlier in the Tour de l'Avenir. Two years later, Vingegaard won the Tour.

 

[canina82]

There are plenty of challengers; few real contenders, though.

Probably, the route is perfect for Pogacar

 

[Berniece]

Probably, the route is perfect for Pogacar

170km? Yeah that’s really perfect for him

 

[canina82]

170km? Yeah that’s really perfect for him

First of all, Pogacar is better than anyone else in short races too.
I believe Olympics and WC have specific rules and must have 250 km (or close to). So if you add 80 km to those very hard 170 km, Pogacar is a massive favorite.

 

[canina82]

In those 170 km, they will have 3300 vertical meters.

View: https://youtu.be/NOnoHdb8HaI?si=jW18OT84Zgbh3wOr

 

[Berniece]

First of all, Pogacar is better than anyone else in short races too.

Then every race is perfect for him… so there’s nothing special about the route

 

[canina82]

Then every race is perfect for him… so there’s nothing special about the route

The race is one of those we look and say "hth will he lose this race?". We didn't have this impression in 2024 Zurich for example.

 

[Oldman]

Then every race is perfect for him… so there’s nothing special about the route

Except Pogacar, as a Kid destroyed all the pros on that Rock Store climb during his break-out Tour of California. It may be nothing but a sentimental sector but It's doubtful he'd skip the race.

 

[Cycling111]

I can't wait for his debut at Strade Bianche. He dropped everyone in Fleche Wallonne, by what margin would he have won today in Malhao?

I also think everyone this week is being overrated: Del Toro, Ayuso, and Seixas. They're very good, buen they are still a long way behind Vingegaard in a GT, for Remco in a Monument, or Pidcock in Strade Bianche.

Then will come the complaints that he´s boring

https://twitter.com/x/status/2025627256983364088

View: https://x.com/cycloben2/status/2025627256983364088?s=20

 

[canina82]

I can't wait for his debut at Strade Bianche. He dropped everyone in Fleche Wallonne, by what margin would he have won today in Malhao?

I also think everyone this week is being overrated: Del Toro, Ayuso, and Seixas. They're very good, but they're still a far difference with Vingegaard for a GT and with Remco for a Monument, or Pidcock for Strade Bianche.

Then will come the complaints that he´s boring

https://twitter.com/x/status/2025627256983364088

View: https://x.com/cycloben2/status/2025627256983364088?s=20

It's normal to read these bold opinions. No one likes to see pure dominance race after race. This is the feeling we have been experienced in the last 2 years with Pogacar.
Plapp also said Del Toro could be better than Pogacar. This hype around Paul being able to compete with Pogacar is just sensationalism. We all know, without crashes, Pogacar will just destroy everyone in SB.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Other cyclists should enjoy fighting for victory in those January and February races because in 2 weeks the Alpha Predator is back.

 

[Cycling111]

It's normal to read these bold opinions. No one likes to see pure dominance race after race. This is the feeling we have been experienced in the last 2 years with Pogacar.
Plapp also said Del Toro could be better than Pogacar. This hype around Paul being able to compete with Pogacar is just sensationalism. We all know, without crashes, Pogacar will just destroy everyone in SB.

Obviously, if Del Toro is better than Pogacar, Plapp will have been seconds behind the best in the world.
Plapp knows what he's talking about 😜 .

I'm just joking because these same Twitter users will be using the words boring and predictable in a few weeks.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Obviously, if Del Toro is better than Pogacar, Plapp will have been seconds behind the best in the world.
Plapp knows what he's talking about 😜 .

At the Tour Plapp will be fighting for 2nd against Pogacar. The Bull will win easily of course.

 

[Unchained]

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/cWbTp06jKZE

 

[Oldman]

At the Tour Plapp will be fighting for 2nd against Pogacar. The Bull will win easily of course.

Hopefully Plapp and others will be fighting for a place...staying with Pogacar. Head to head he'll find out why former Tour winners let that wheel go away at some point before 2nd place becomes a dream placing.
Guys like him on 2nd-3rd tier teams are exactly the mountain-break companion Tadej and Jonas would exploit (if Jonas was there...take note of that). The top tier leaders are scattering to other venues they can win faster than big teams are cultivating young killers.