Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Extinction]

but he already signed with UAE before that.

True. If he were in another organization, I'd have less doubts over his performances.

 

[Riek s]

True. If he were in another organization, I'd have less doubts over his performances.

True. My concern is not only the team but the way he 'grew'

2018: 1 victory + promissing tour of slovenia (profs), followed by a few top20 places in EU CC/ITT U23 (12/16th)
2017: no victories:
2016: 3 victories +GC
2015: no victories:

Up to here, he had some promising result of a talented rider, but nothing really out of the ordinary to assume a 10 times GT winner at all.

(joins UAE team):
then later in 2018 (a month after eu cc) wins:
Tour de lavenir and Giro della regione

and after that we know what happened.. he joined the pro's had rediculous results for a 1st timer and his 2nd/3rd year were even more rediculous. winning TT, climbs,...


edit: compare this to for example Gaudu who won l'avenir 2016 (2 years before pog)
2016: lavenir
2017: with pros nothing spectacular (solid results, no wins or podium spots)
2018: 34th in TDF
2019: 13th in TDF
2020: DNF TDF / 8th Vuelta
2021: 11th TDF
2022: 4th TDF
Gaudu is probably more one sided in what he is good at, but this is a decent progression curve. If this would have been the progression curve of Pog, i think i would have been a lot less skeptic about it. (or a lot less concerned )

put pog is like
2017: nothing
2018: meh until winning l'avenir
2019: 3rd Vuelta

 

[noob]

True. My concern is not only the team but the way he 'grew'

2018: 1 victory + promissing tour of slovenia (profs), followed by a few top20 places in EU CC/ITT U23 (12/16th)
2017: no victories:
2016: 3 victories +GC
2015: no victories:

Up to here, he had some promising result of a talented rider, but nothing really out of the ordinary to assume a 10 times GT winner at all.

(joins UAE team):
then later in 2018 (a month after eu cc) wins:
Tour de lavenir and Giro della regione

and after that we know what happened.. he joined the pro's had rediculous results for a 1st timer and his 2nd/3rd year were even more rediculous. winning TT, climbs,...


edit: compare this to for example Gaudu who won l'avenir 2016 (2 years before pog)
2016: lavenir
2017: with pros nothing spectacular (solid results, no wins or podium spots)
2018: 34th in TDF
2019: 13th in TDF
2020: DNF TDF / 8th Vuelta
2021: 11th TDF
2022: 4th TDF
Gaudu is probably more one sided in what he is good at, but this is a decent progression curve. If this would have been the progression curve of Pog, i think i would have been a lot less skeptic about it. (or a lot less concerned )

put pog is like
2017: nothing
2018: meh until winning l'avenir
2019: 3rd Vuelta

I thought the difference between him and Jonas was huge, from how people speak, but this sounds almost similar :O

I mean with getting suddenly better when joining WT team.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

True. My concern is not only the team but the way he 'grew'

2018: 1 victory + promissing tour of slovenia (profs), followed by a few top20 places in EU CC/ITT U23 (12/16th)
2017: no victories:
2016: 3 victories +GC
2015: no victories:

Up to here, he had some promising result of a talented rider, but nothing really out of the ordinary to assume a 10 times GT winner at all.

(joins UAE team):
then later in 2018 (a month after eu cc) wins:
Tour de lavenir and Giro della regione

and after that we know what happened.. he joined the pro's had rediculous results for a 1st timer and his 2nd/3rd year were even more rediculous. winning TT, climbs,...

Development trajectories are different for various sportsmen (i.e. the best u20 is not always the best overall and vice-versa) and Pogacar, as many others, needed time to physically develop (he was very small compared to now for a long time). If you follow other sportsmen trajectories carefully there is usually a period of performance leap and if it's at the age of 19-20 it's really not that surprising. As for the UAE, it's obvious that they have a good doping program but it's not that they have some magic potions and improve incoming cyclists every year (Pog stands out in his team) or that other top teams don't have it.

 

[ppanther92]

True. My concern is not only the team but the way he 'grew'

2018: 1 victory + promissing tour of slovenia (profs), followed by a few top20 places in EU CC/ITT U23 (12/16th)
2017: no victories:
2016: 3 victories +GC
2015: no victories:

Up to here, he had some promising result of a talented rider, but nothing really out of the ordinary to assume a 10 times GT winner at all.

(joins UAE team):
then later in 2018 (a month after eu cc) wins:
Tour de lavenir and Giro della regione

and after that we know what happened.. he joined the pro's had rediculous results for a 1st timer and his 2nd/3rd year were even more rediculous. winning TT, climbs,...


edit: compare this to for example Gaudu who won l'avenir 2016 (2 years before pog)
2016: lavenir
2017: with pros nothing spectacular (solid results, no wins or podium spots)
2018: 34th in TDF
2019: 13th in TDF
2020: DNF TDF / 8th Vuelta
2021: 11th TDF
2022: 4th TDF
Gaudu is probably more one sided in what he is good at, but this is a decent progression curve. If this would have been the progression curve of Pog, i think i would have been a lot less skeptic about it. (or a lot less concerned )

put pog is like
2017: nothing
2018: meh until winning l'avenir
2019: 3rd Vuelta

And now with facts:

Pogacar was clearly the better rider than Gaudu at any age. Granted, no Evenepoel but that is because no one was an Evenepoel other than Evenepoel.

For the sake of completeness vs. Vignegaard:

The only GC rider that matched Pogacar in points scored per age was btw. Bernal in recent years (and Pogi's age group):

And I think we all agree that 2-3 years ago all in this forum thought he will be the next dominator for Ineos.

I do not even want to claim Pogacar is clean. You don't win the Tour being clean, lol. But I do absolutely not see the point in the weak argument constructions in the past few days. "He must have a new mega super-duper program, see how he dropped Vingegaard" - yes, so he did last year at that time of the year. "He did nothing as a junior, UAE must have a new formula" - well, first part of the statement is obviously wrong, second part - I find the JV support team (WvA, Kuss to keep it at last years Tour) quite considerably more impressive than UAE's (Hirschi, McNulty), when arguably Hirschi and McNulty were tremendous talents in the junior ranks themselves if we are playing that game, while Kuss was not (don't want to make an argument here who does what worse/more, riders develop differently as well. But just stating that the UAE super program argument is not really that strong in my book, when a big weakness of Pogacar has been his team so far).

 

[Riek s]

And now with facts:

Pogacar was clearly the better rider than Gaudu at any age. Granted, no Evenepoel but that is because no one was an Evenepoel other than Evenepoel.

For the sake of completeness vs. Vignegaard:

The only GC rider that matched Pogacar in points scored per age was btw. Bernal in recent years (and Pogi's age group):

And I think we all agree that 2-3 years ago all in this forum thought he will be the next dominator for Ineos.

I do not even want to claim Pogacar is clean. You don't win the Tour being clean, lol. But I do absolutely not see the point in the weak argument constructions in the past few days. "He must have a new mega super-duper program, see how he dropped Vingegaard" - yes, so he did last year at that time of the year. "He did nothing as a junior, UAE must have a new formula" - well, first part of the statement is obviously wrong, second part - I find the JV support team (WvA, Kuss to keep it at last years Tour) quite considerably more impressive than UAE's (Hirschi, McNulty), when arguably Hirschi and McNulty were tremendous talents in the junior ranks themselves if we are playing that game, while Kuss was not (don't want to make an argument here who does what worse/more, riders develop differently as well. But just stating that the UAE super program argument is not really that strong in my book, when a big weakness of Pogacar has been his team so far).

You just prove my point no?

I only compared him to gaudu to show what a real gradual increase is, which is clearly indicated in those graphs. (Heck even bernal shows some gradual increase.

Also regarding the doping aspect, i haven't mentionned anything on that, so i guess that parts is towards other posts. But i suppose the sudden rise of Vingegaard (nicely illustrated by your own pics) is a very similar incline...

 

[Extinction]

And now with facts:

Pogacar was clearly the better rider than Gaudu at any age. Granted, no Evenepoel but that is because no one was an Evenepoel other than Evenepoel.

For the sake of completeness vs. Vignegaard:

The only GC rider that matched Pogacar in points scored per age was btw. Bernal in recent years (and Pogi's age group):

And I think we all agree that 2-3 years ago all in this forum thought he will be the next dominator for Ineos.

I do not even want to claim Pogacar is clean. You don't win the Tour being clean, lol. But I do absolutely not see the point in the weak argument constructions in the past few days. "He must have a new mega super-duper program, see how he dropped Vingegaard" - yes, so he did last year at that time of the year. "He did nothing as a junior, UAE must have a new formula" - well, first part of the statement is obviously wrong, second part - I find the JV support team (WvA, Kuss to keep it at last years Tour) quite considerably more impressive than UAE's (Hirschi, McNulty), when arguably Hirschi and McNulty were tremendous talents in the junior ranks themselves if we are playing that game, while Kuss was not (don't want to make an argument here who does what worse/more, riders develop differently as well. But just stating that the UAE super program argument is not really that strong in my book, when a big weakness of Pogacar has been his team so far).

I have no beef with Pogi per say, but since he is riding like a new Cannibal now, I just would prefer he was doing it in another organization that didn't have Gianetti and Arab money involved. Call me biased, but something just doesn't feel right.

 

[Netserk]

True. My concern is not only the team but the way he 'grew'

2018: 1 victory + promissing tour of slovenia (profs), followed by a few top20 places in EU CC/ITT U23 (12/16th)
2017: no victories:
2016: 3 victories +GC
2015: no victories:

Up to here, he had some promising result of a talented rider, but nothing really out of the ordinary to assume a 10 times GT winner at all.

(joins UAE team):
then later in 2018 (a month after eu cc) wins:
Tour de lavenir and Giro della regione

and after that we know what happened.. he joined the pro's had rediculous results for a 1st timer and his 2nd/3rd year were even more rediculous. winning TT, climbs,...


edit: compare this to for example Gaudu who won l'avenir 2016 (2 years before pog)
2016: lavenir
2017: with pros nothing spectacular (solid results, no wins or podium spots)
2018: 34th in TDF
2019: 13th in TDF
2020: DNF TDF / 8th Vuelta
2021: 11th TDF
2022: 4th TDF
Gaudu is probably more one sided in what he is good at, but this is a decent progression curve. If this would have been the progression curve of Pog, i think i would have been a lot less skeptic about it. (or a lot less concerned )

put pog is like
2017: nothing
2018: meh until winning l'avenir
2019: 3rd Vuelta

It's a bit weird that you compare Pogi's results before his Avenir victory with Gaudu's results after his Avenir victory. They had the same age when they won Avenir, so it should be straightforward to make a 1:1 comparison. Junior results vs. junior results. U23 results vs. U23 results.

And 5th in Tour of Slovenia (that was decided on a proper MTF) as a first year U23 rider counts as nothing?!

 

[Peyroteo94]

If he was the greatest natural talent, he would have decimated the rankings during the juniors/U23 as well (Evenepoel style), and not only after joining UAE programs.

He won tour de L'Avenir. Let's not pretend he came from nowhere like Froome.

 

[limak_]

I feel that Pog has been generally a very talented bike rider from young age. And what I mean by a talented bike rider is that he looks natural on the bike, he's good technically (seems like he rarely crashes, feels good on different surfaces, moves well inside the bunch etc). Plus I also get a feeling from him that he's mentally very strong, has ability to stay cool headed and handles stressful situations very well. He has the mentality like the one of the best champions across different sports. And in terms of these, he's imo a supertalented guy. And all of these features are the ones you can't enhance with doping.

He wasn't physically/bike-efficiency wise talented like Evenepoel but he was also much above average in this regard, cause you don't finish a MTF 30s behind WT guys at 20 yo, riding for some Slovenian continental team and with 0 talent. But "the engine" is the easiest thing to improve with doping, so all he needed was a well suited program. All the other puzzles were already there.

What I'm trying to say is that his performances aren't that ridiculous for me like for some here. Like, you don't come 2nd in de Ronde, just behind another generational talent if you're not a super talented cyclist. No matter how much juiced up you'd be.

 

[Mex_17]

People talk about Vingegaard like he dominated Pogocar at the last TdF, when it fact, JV basically jumped TP in one race when TP had an uncharacteristic bad day, got a few seconds lead, then played defense and held on to it. Every other race before and since, TP destroys the entire peloton, often without any help from teammates.

It's just beyond ridiculous, and it's making a sham of cycling. He had Paris-Nice totally won, but it still wasn't enough, he still had to accelerate away from everyone on a meaningless stage, as if to rub everyone's faces in the fact that his doping regimen makes him super-human.

Every since Belles-Filles against Roglic, this has been a total joke. He had one mistake at the Tour in 2022, and that's it. Does anyone think Pogocar is not going to dominate the Tour again this year? Even the announcers are having a hard time containing their incredulity about what they are seeing.

I don't like any team over any other team, I just hate Pogocar. He was even a d-ck in the Champs Elysee stage last year, pretending to attack JV. The guy is just a total obnoxious ass.

People talk about Froome, who doped/dominated late in his career. At TP's age, he could win 15 TdF in a row at this rate. He's the new Lance Armstrong.

 

[Nick2413]

People talk about Vingegaard like he dominated Pogocar at the last TdF, when it fact, JV basically jumped TP in one race when TP had an uncharacteristic bad day, got a few seconds lead, then played defense and held on to it. Every other race before and since, TP destroys the entire peloton, often without any help from teammates.

It's just beyond ridiculous, and it's making a sham of cycling. He had Paris-Nice totally won, but it still wasn't enough, he still had to accelerate away from everyone on a meaningless stage, as if to rub everyone's faces in the fact that his doping regimen makes him super-human.

Every since Belles-Filles against Roglic, this has been a total joke. He had one mistake at the Tour in 2022, and that's it. Does anyone think Pogocar is not going to dominate the Tour again this year? Even the announcers are having a hard time containing their incredulity about what they are seeing.

I don't like any team over any other team, I just hate Pogocar. He was even a d-ck in the Champs Elysee stage last year, pretending to attack JV. The guy is just a total obnoxious ass.

People talk about Froome, who doped/dominated late in his career. At TP's age, he could win 15 TdF in a row at this rate. He's the new Lance Armstrong.

He was 12 seconds ahead of Gaudu going into this stage and was going up against the guy who just handed him the biggest defeat in his career, theres a lot more at stake here than just showboating. If you have a problem with winners winning then you probably shouldn’t follow sports.

Champs Elysee last year was good sportsmanship and completely within his normal personality type. It seems like you just have it out for him. Don’t forget the guy who beat him is even more unbelievable in trajectory.

 

[Extinction]

I feel that Pog has been generally a very talented bike rider from young age. And what I mean by a talented bike rider is that he looks natural on the bike, he's good technically (seems like he rarely crashes, feels good on different surfaces, moves well inside the bunch etc). Plus I also get a feeling from him that he's mentally very strong, has ability to stay cool headed and handles stressful situations very well. He has the mentality like the one of the best champions across different sports. And in terms of these, he's imo a supertalented guy. And all of these features are the ones you can't enhance with doping.

He wasn't physically/bike-efficiency wise talented like Evenepoel but he was also much above average in this regard, cause you don't finish a MTF 30s behind WT guys at 20 yo, riding for some Slovenian continental team and with 0 talent. But "the engine" is the easiest thing to improve with doping, so all he needed was a well suited program. All the other puzzles were already there.

What I'm trying to say is that his performances aren't that ridiculous for me like for some here. Like, you don't come 2nd in de Ronde, just behind another generational talent if you're not a super talented cyclist. No matter how much juiced up you'd be.

Don't get me wrong, I agree he is extremely talented, but it's the rapid succession of victories, as if he can win practically every race in which he participates, that's starting to seem ridiculous. Because there should be too much depth and well-timed peaks of form for that to happen in contrempoary cycling, whilst even he should get tired at some point. I mean it's not just that he won PN, for example, but a hat trick of stage victories in succession, as if he were in a race all by himself. And now he'll go on to potentially win some monuments, anotherTour and why not Lombardia finishing the season in October. In today's cycling that's extraordinary, in Gianettii's organization eyebrow raising.

 

[Extinction]

People talk about Vingegaard like he dominated Pogocar at the last TdF, when it fact, JV basically jumped TP in one race when TP had an uncharacteristic bad day, got a few seconds lead, then played defense and held on to it. Every other race before and since, TP destroys the entire peloton, often without any help from teammates.

It's just beyond ridiculous, and it's making a sham of cycling. He had Paris-Nice totally won, but it still wasn't enough, he still had to accelerate away from everyone on a meaningless stage, as if to rub everyone's faces in the fact that his doping regimen makes him super-human.

Every since Belles-Filles against Roglic, this has been a total joke. He had one mistake at the Tour in 2022, and that's it. Does anyone think Pogocar is not going to dominate the Tour again this year? Even the announcers are having a hard time containing their incredulity about what they are seeing.

I don't like any team over any other team, I just hate Pogocar. He was even a d-ck in the Champs Elysee stage last year, pretending to attack JV. The guy is just a total obnoxious ass.

People talk about Froome, who doped/dominated late in his career. At TP's age, he could win 15 TdF in a row at this rate. He's the new Lance Armstrong.

Well, don't hold back, and tell us how you really feel.

 

[saunaking]

I feel that Pog has been generally a very talented bike rider from young age. And what I mean by a talented bike rider is that he looks natural on the bike, he's good technically (seems like he rarely crashes, feels good on different surfaces, moves well inside the bunch etc). Plus I also get a feeling from him that he's mentally very strong, has ability to stay cool headed and handles stressful situations very well. He has the mentality like the one of the best champions across different sports. And in terms of these, he's imo a supertalented guy. And all of these features are the ones you can't enhance with doping.

He wasn't physically/bike-efficiency wise talented like Evenepoel but he was also much above average in this regard, cause you don't finish a MTF 30s behind WT guys at 20 yo, riding for some Slovenian continental team and with 0 talent. But "the engine" is the easiest thing to improve with doping, so all he needed was a well suited program. All the other puzzles were already there.

What I'm trying to say is that his performances aren't that ridiculous for me like for some here. Like, you don't come 2nd in de Ronde, just behind another generational talent if you're not a super talented cyclist. No matter how much juiced up you'd be.

LOL you are sooo delusional dude. You dont think doping helps with this stuff like ' staying cool in stressful situations', ' good techincially', blah blah.
When you are doping and performing at a higher level you decrease or eliminate these situations. you dont worry so much about 'moving around in the bunch' when you are at your physical limit because now you can navigate these situations at less than full gas and with a cool head..

 

[limak_]

LOL you are sooo delusional dude. You dont think doping helps with this stuff like ' staying cool in stressful situations', ' good techincially', blah blah.
When you are doping and performing at a higher level you decrease or eliminate these situations. you dont worry so much about 'moving around in the bunch' when you are at your physical limit because now you can navigate these situations at less than full gas and with a cool head..

I don't agree with you. By your logic, every physically stronger rider should automatically be better technically, have less crashes, handle different situations better, be better tactically etc. Like your capability in each of these things would depends solely on how tired you are and besides this, every cyclist is more or less equal. But that's not the case.

It's obvious that it's much easier to stay cool, if you're less on your limit than your rivals and that doping indirectly also helps with all the stuff that I described. But it's just one component of it. And it's you being delusional here, thinking that a proper doping program could make a Pogacar out of almost every cyclist in the peloton.

 

[Hugh Januss]

People talk about Vingegaard like he dominated Pogocar at the last TdF, when it fact, JV basically jumped TP in one race when TP had an uncharacteristic bad day, got a few seconds lead, then played defense and held on to it. Every other race before and since, TP destroys the entire peloton, often without any help from teammates.

It's just beyond ridiculous, and it's making a sham of cycling. He had Paris-Nice totally won, but it still wasn't enough, he still had to accelerate away from everyone on a meaningless stage, as if to rub everyone's faces in the fact that his doping regimen makes him super-human.

Every since Belles-Filles against Roglic, this has been a total joke. He had one mistake at the Tour in 2022, and that's it. Does anyone think Pogocar is not going to dominate the Tour again this year? Even the announcers are having a hard time containing their incredulity about what they are seeing.

I don't like any team over any other team, I just hate Pogocar. He was even a d-ck in the Champs Elysee stage last year, pretending to attack JV. The guy is just a total obnoxious ass.

People talk about Froome, who doped/dominated late in his career. At TP's age, he could win 15 TdF in a row at this rate. He's the new Lance Armstrong.

I feel that Pog has been generally a very talented bike rider from young age. And what I mean by a talented bike rider is that he looks natural on the bike, he's good technically (seems like he rarely crashes, feels good on different surfaces, moves well inside the bunch etc). Plus I also get a feeling from him that he's mentally very strong, has ability to stay cool headed and handles stressful situations very well. He has the mentality like the one of the best champions across different sports. And in terms of these, he's imo a supertalented guy. And all of these features are the ones you can't enhance with doping.

He wasn't physically/bike-efficiency wise talented like Evenepoel but he was also much above average in this regard, cause you don't finish a MTF 30s behind WT guys at 20 yo, riding for some Slovenian continental team and with 0 talent. But "the engine" is the easiest thing to improve with doping, so all he needed was a well suited program. All the other puzzles were already there.

What I'm trying to say is that his performances aren't that ridiculous for me like for some here. Like, you don't come 2nd in de Ronde, just behind another generational talent if you're not a super talented cyclist. No matter how much juiced up you'd be.

Something just mid way between these.

 

[zlev11]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1634924102720065537

View: https://twitter.com/jeremycwhittle/status/1634924102720065537?s=20

lol this is such BS. it's a bike race and he's paid a ton of money by his team to win races. where was this guy when Team Sky strangled every stage of every race and nearly ruined the whole sport 8-10 years ago?

 

[Extinction]

lol this is such BS. it's a bike race and he's paid a ton of money by his team to win races. where was this guy when Team Sky strangled every stage of every race and nearly ruined the whole sport 8-10 years ago?

Lol. But that's not entirely how it works, ask Bruyneel. You see cycling is a mafia made up of different clans, in which alliances are made and broken, wars are fought out on the road and there normally reigns a delicate equilibrium, so that even the losers get their share of the plate from which they all feed. If one member of a clan gets too powerful and greedy and the shares distributed to all the rest keep diminishing in size, sooner or later a new and ferocious war breaks out and that boss finds that the whole peloton is against him. Now this means that any opportunity to work against him and his team will be done by one and all with ruthless constancy, until something gives.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Lol. But that's not entirely how it works, ask Bruyneel. You see cycling is a mafia made up of different clans, in which alliances are made and broken, wars are fought out on the road and there normally reigns a delicate equilibrium, so that even the losers get their share of the plate from which they all feed. If one member of a clan gets too powerful and greedy and the shares distributed to all the rest keep diminishing in size, sooner or later a new and ferocious war breaks out and that boss finds that the whole peloton is against him. Now this means that any opportunity to work against he and his team will be done by one and all with ruthless constancy, until something gives.

Bruyneel knows s**t. Everybody loves Pogi and his smile, except Van Baarle maybe (not enough to overthrow the Boss).

 

[zlev11]

Lol. But that's not entirely how it works, ask Bruyneel. You see cycling is a mafia made up of different clans, in which alliances are made and broken, wars are fought out on the road and there normally reigns a delicate equilibrium, so that even the losers get their share of the plate from which they all feed. If one member of a clan gets too powerful and greedy and the shares distributed to all the rest keep diminishing in size, sooner or later a new and ferocious war breaks out and that boss finds that the whole peloton is against him. Now this means that any opportunity to work against he and his team will be done by one and all with ruthless constancy, until something gives.

this is how it worked 15-20 years ago maybe. there's none of this anymore.

 

[Extinction]

this is how it worked 15-20 years ago maybe. there's none of this anymore.

Oh, you think not?

 

[Jaeger]

Saunier Duval - Mauro Gianetti - Riccardo Ricco - Check!.
Team Geox - Mauro Gianetti - Juan Jose Cobo - Check!.
UAE Team Emirates - Mauro Gianetti - Tadej Pogacar - ...

 

[Extinction]

Saunier Duval - Mauro Giannetti - Riccardo Ricco - Check!.
Team Geox - Mauro Giannetti - Juan Jose Cobo - Check!.
UAE Team Emirates - Mauro Giannetti - Tadej Pogacar - ...

Unfortunately following the trail leads to unavoidably suspicious minds. But the same held true for Saiz, Bruyneel, Riis, etc. Add in Arab money and the whole operation becomes suspect. The problem is, even if one were to concede Tadej a reasonable doubt, the fact that Pogacar chooses happily to work with Giannetti and the operation inevitably leads to cutting him less slack. The problem with today's cycling is that certain figures should be taboo to be associated with, but they are not, and this rightfully, given the sports history, leads to a general mistrust.

 

[Ripper]

Saunier Duval - Mauro Giannetti - Riccardo Ricco - Check!.
Team Geox - Mauro Giannetti - Juan Jose Cobo - Check!.
UAE Team Emirates - Mauro Giannetti - Tadej Pogacar - ...

You forgot ...
Mauro Giannetti - Mauro Giannetti (and almost killed himself)!