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Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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Because if he's doping then it must be a good program and thus there would be no way of knowing the status of his natural ability, especially if he's just a really good responder.

On the other hand, being such a versatile rider and the fact that he is so explosive, means his natural talent must be high.

I meant that he's very talented and a good responder as well (then again, I think most of top guys are good responders).
 
Yea, but the way he is currently winning seems exaggerated. There must be some angry souls in the pelaton. The UCI must be concerned. If doping is involved, you just can't be a hog. A little prudent humility is called for.
Given the dominance he displays in multiple terrains and abilities, my opinion is it's a combination of natural talent, 'preparation', and a hunger to win. History suggests that doping does not diminish a hunger to win/obliterating others. And Gianetti has not demonstrated a history of moderation :D
 
Given the dominance he displays in multiple terrains and abilities, my opinion is it's a combination of natural talent, 'preparation', and a hunger to win. History suggests that doping does not diminish a hunger to win/obliterating others. And Gianetti has not demonstrated a history of moderation :D
Oh I don't doubt he has real talent, but when factoring in Big Pharma, I just don't think it's wise to be a hog. And, yes, Gianetti doesn't know moderation.
 
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Oh I don't doubt he has real talent, but when factoring in Big Pharma, I just don't think it's wise to be a hog. And, yes, Gianetti doesn't know moderation.
Your opinion is of a reasonable and rational mind :), and not of somebody who wants to win everything, all the time, and is willing to engage and questionable ethical practices to do it.

I'm not sure I'm seeing much different compared to last year. Yes, Pogomeister has come out swinging, most likely due to a combination of increased desire to win a spring classic, and an increased desire to prove his dominance after his life's in last year's TdF.
 
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Your opinion is of a reasonable and rational mind :), and not of somebody who wants to win everything, all the time, and is willing to engage and questionable ethical practices to do it.

I'm not sure I'm seeing much different compared to last year. Yes, Pogomeister has come out swinging, most likely due to a combination of increased desire to win a spring classic, and an increased desire to prove his dominance after his life's in last year's TdF.
Yea, well, I predicted Tadej would have come out swinging after defeat at the Tour, but his dominance is alarming to put it mildly. Either he just reaches peak form, or nearly so, with little preparation, or someone needs to talk some sense into the lad and his mentor Gianetti.
 
Yea, well, I predicted Tadej would have come out swinging after defeat at the Tour, but his dominance is alarming to put it mildly. Either he just reaches peak form, or nearly so, with little preparation, or someone needs to talk some sense into the lad and his mentor Gianetti.

Last year at this point he already had 7 victories. Two less than now but the magnitude of some (Strade, Carpegna) was bigger than this year. I still think his form this year is very similar to last spring. And I bet he will be similarly strong at Milan San Remo and Flandres (his main spring goals).
 
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Last year at this point he already had 7 victories. Two less than now but the magnitude of some (Strade, Carpegna) was bigger than this year. I still think his form this year is very similar to last spring. And I bet he will be similarly strong at Milan San Remo and Flandres (his main spring goals).
I don't know, his form now seems a bit better than last year at this time, if that's even possible. I'd put his hat trick in Paris-Nice higher than his TA accomplishments last year. He seems unstopable at the moment. I think San Remo and Flanders are his to lose with only a fine Remco might be better in Liege.
 
I don't know, his form now seems a bit better than last year at this time, if that's even possible. I'd put his hat trick in Paris-Nice higher than his TA accomplishments last year. He seems unstopable at the moment. I think San Remo and Flanders are his to lose with only a fine Remco might be better in Liege.

I would put Strade higher than the Spanish classic he won this year. While his stage-race victories on par with last year's. San Remo and Flandres will be difficult to win - he was in an amazing form last year and still didn't manage to win. As for Liege, I'm expecting post-peak Pog but he can win it (as it suits him well).
 
I would put Strade higher than the Spanish classic he won this year. While his stage-race victories on par with last year's. San Remo and Flandres will be difficult to win - he was in an amazing form last year and still didn't manage to win. As for Liege, I'm expecting post-peak Pog but he can win it (as it suits him well).
Well I guess we'll have to see if his form is a bit better this year during this period at MSR and Flanders. If it is, as I suspect, then I think he will win those races. Who can stop him? MbdP really needs to up his game to do so. Even Van Aert will need to be in top shape to beat him. An unexpected rider could escape and win, but mano a mano I don't think the others handle his blows.
 
Well I guess we'll have to see if his form is a bit better this year during this period at MSR and Flanders. If it is, as I suspect, then I think he will win those races. Who can stop him? MbdP really needs to up his game to do so. Even Van Aert will need to be in top shape to beat him. An unexpected rider could escape and win, but mano a mano I don't think the others handle his blows.

Milan San Remo is difficult as even a huge acceleration on Poggio (see last year) may not be enough to get a maintainable gap over guys like WVA who will die to bridge it (as it's Pogacar, not some less dangerous guy). Plus there can be guys like Mohoric who will risk everything on the descent. And finally, Pogacar is fast but on a finish with guys like WVA and MVP it's not easy to win. As for Flandres basically the third argument repeats: he won't be favoured on the finish against MVP (not that confident in WVA's sprint after a difficult race) that's why he's #2-#3 favourite to me. He needs to drop him for good, easier said than done on the cobbles.
 

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