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Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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The GC field is weak. But arguably the best TT specialist in the world came 2nd. We will know exactly how hard Pogacar pushed himself today as this Giro unfolds. Next rendezvous: Prati di Tivo.

+the weak field is one reason why the double might be possible this year. The other is the relative dearth of climbing metres this Giro compared to previous years when a serious attempt on the double was made - eg Contador 2011 and 2015.
The best TT specialist in the world is not there mate(Remco).
 
Absolutely! I think we can probably queue up all the regular excuses and excuse makers ...
Today was way less absurd than stage 16 of the 2023 Tour de France. That TT was only 32 minutes and the gaps were much bigger than today's 51 minute effort. Lest we forget ....

 
Today was way less absurd than stage 16 of the 2023 Tour de France. That TT was only 32 minutes and the gaps were much bigger than today's 51 minute effort. Lest we forget ....

Pogacar also made bigger gaps on that day, if we forget Vingegaard, but it was on stage 18.
 
Today was way less absurd than stage 16 of the 2023 Tour de France. That TT was only 32 minutes and the gaps were much bigger than today's 51 minute effort. Lest we forget ....

It was less absurd, no argument about that. In fact, it might be less absurd than many a Tour TT.
 
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How so?
I could be wrong, but I'm guessing guys like him are on next level stuff that isn't even on the radar. Combine that with the backing he has from UAE and race organizers (wasn't he paid a bunch to ride the Giro?) and it's hard to see where things could go wrong.
There are a few video interviews on YouTube and other places, were pro riders nearing the end, or recently retired talk about the over the top scientific methods being applied to pro cycling and it's actually so crazy that all say a career of @10 years looks improbable in their opinion. Maybe Pogacar is just living... Make hay while the sun shines.. Maybe he has knee or back pain and knows he needs to win while he can.. Greedy doesn't fit to me, I don't read him as greedy or attention whore
 
There are a few video interviews on YouTube and other places, were pro riders nearing the end, or recently retired talk about the over the top scientific methods being applied to pro cycling and it's actually so crazy that all say a career of @10 years looks improbable in their opinion. Maybe Pogacar is just living... Make hay while the sun shines.. Maybe he has knee or back pain and knows he needs to win while he can.. Greedy doesn't fit to me, I don't read him as greedy or attention whore
Greed in the sense of taking all the spoils, sooner or later you make enemies (amongst colleagues and those with vested interests in alternative outcomes).
 
I don't trust either, but I don't see Vingegaard winning on all terrains.
Doubtful this is due to a doping advantage by Pogacar. This versatility is likely why Pogacar is way more popular than Vingo. Pog's results began long before he was noticed by Gianetti too. So it ain't just doping which why I find the reasoning in the OP a little nasty. At such a young age there is always big improvement from natural progression.

Nobody thinks Pogacar is clean, its just the double standards I take exception to.

As for today, he's riding for the double. Smart he doesn't waste energy and just takes sprint wins when he has the opportunity.
 
Doubtful this is due to a doping advantage by Pogacar. This versatility is likely why Pogacar is way more popular than Vingo. Pog's results began long before he was noticed by Gianetti too. So it ain't just doping which why I find the reasoning in the OP a little nasty. At such a young age there is always big improvement from natural progression.

Nobody thinks Pogacar is clean, its just the double standards I take exception to.

As for today, he's riding for the double. Smart he doesn't waste energy and just takes sprint wins when he has the opportunity.
Right, but how do you qualify this? All things being equal with doping (but is this true, with the colossal budget teams versus the peones?), is he simply technically the best? It would seems so, yes. Although, until proven otherwise, I'd argue Vingegaard is still the most aerobically efficient, which is pure genetics.
 
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Greed in the sense of taking all the spoils, sooner or later you make enemies (amongst colleagues and those with vested interests in alternative outcomes).
I don't sense there are riders in the peloton with any resentment toward's Pog because he wins a lot. Today he rode smart. Was Merckx despised or simply admired by his rivals? I think it was the latter. I think the peloton admires Pogacar in a similar way. Armstrong wasn't admired like that, riders kept their mouths shut as they knew how vindictive Lance could be for example the Simeoni incident.

But Pog will never be as dominant as Merckx for two reasons, a) he can't win pure sprints and b) Merckx never had a rival on the level of Vingegaard.
 
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Right, but how do you qualify this? All things being equal with doping (but is this true, with the colossal budget teams versus the peones?), is he simply technically the best? It would seems so, yes. Although, until proven otherwise, I'd argue Vingegaard is still the most aerobically efficient, which is pure genetics.
I'd argue that is a subjective view. My subjective view is Vingegaard's rise is explained by doping and that he is a better responder than Pog.

It seems clear that Visma are every bit as cutting edge in doping as UAE. Oxygen vector doping boosts aerobic efficiency. How can you can you say Vingegaard is more genetically aerobically efficient?? Because his dad said he has a 103 VO2 max? Why didn't an athlete with world record aerobic efficiency do anything noteworthy in cycling before Ventoux in the 2021 TdF? Nobody had Vingegaard on any list of contenders until 7th July 2021.
 
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