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Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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We can speculate until the cows come home as to what methods are being used, no one knows. However, anyone suggesting that if there was doping going on then they would have been popped by now hasn’t been paying attention. History shows us that Armstrong wasn’t lanced because he was caught doping via a test, but because someone blabbed and kept blabbing until others blabbed and eventually the whole house cards came tumbling down, aided and abetted by a few decent and indefatigably curious journalists whose experience told them Armstrong’s performances failed the credulity test. Armstrong was ultimately undone by hubris, and by the fact that he treated people appallingly. That’s a total recipe for disaster no matter how ruthless and well resourced you are. Because of course, he had already been caught out in a test only to make that test go away by bunging the UCI a substantial amount of money. He corrupted the governing body and made them his ***, and they allowed themselves to be corrupted because Armstrong was a good news story, the poster boy for the sport, a worldwide superstar (ten times the star than Pogacar is currently) who transcended and transformed the sport and made it bigger then ever. Hence the comment about not spitting in the soup. It was a huge bowl that everyone was supping from and getting fat on. If anyone thinks that couldn’t happen today well, I think, like so many people back then, they’re rejecting the evidence of their eyes and ears.
 
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The Clinic is at its best when there is genuine discussion and speculation on what new methods might be. But we still don't have much clue just pure speculation. Gene doping doesn't look likely. Still some form of blood manipulation IMO.

For my 2 cents worth. I think the passport still has a deterrence effect. The downsides of the passport is it costs a lot of time and money to build rider profiles and then to get through court the burden of proof has been set unreasonably high by lawyers IMO. I think that's why it took 6 years to nail Cobo. So teams/ doctors will dope to a threshold they think they can get away with based upon precedent.

If they could compress the 6 years down to a 24 hour test then we would have something. But that seems impossible as medical research is developing new drugs and techniques all the time and sports anti doping testing will never keep ahead of that. Cera is an example where there was a window exploited but that window was closed.
 
I don't think these are microdoses and blood bags, at least not for the two superstar of UAE and Jumbo. This is gene doping, mRNA.

Watch Prati di Tivo, Martinez was a sweat mask and Pogacar was me on a ebike.

Michele probably doesn't even know what they are using and with antidoping controls during the races they will never find anything.
This makes sense to me. I don’t know anything about gene doping but I expect formal studies to lag several years behind undercover operations. They probably already know how to do successful gene doping but there are just a massive amount of restrictions annd hurdles around clinical trials. To my understanding they had developed mRNA vaccines within a couple weeks after March 2020 but it took over a year to get them out for obvious reasons. In a covert operation nobody cares about the red tape.
 
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I don't think these are microdoses and blood bags, at least not for the two superstar of UAE and Jumbo. This is gene doping, mRNA.

Watch Prati di Tivo, Martinez was a sweat mask and Pogacar was me on a ebike.

Michele probably doesn't even know what they are using and with antidoping controls during the races they will never find anything.
Pogacar was not even sweating at the end of the 40 km. TT.
Check out when his assistant removes his helmet moments after the finish. His hair seemed to be bone dry.
 
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Pogacar was not even sweating at the end of the 40 km. TT.
Check out when his assistant removes his helmet moments after the finish. His hair seemed to be bone dry.

He looked pretty tired though. The TT was intense and maybe that's why he didn't decide to attack on Prati di Tivo (to avoid deep efforts in consecutive days). I'm not even sure if they will decide for another solo, given the Tour in mind.
 
He looked pretty tired though. The TT was intense and maybe that's why he didn't decide to attack on Prati di Tivo (to avoid deep efforts in consecutive days). I'm not even sure if they will decide for another solo, given the Tour in mind.
Maybe. I agree with the bolded comment. Yes he did look tired after the TT, but recovered by the following day when he looked fresh. I am hoping Pog didn't attack on Prati di Tivo as he has winning the double in the back of his mind. A sign of maturity and riding to a plan? Winning the sprint in a MTF doesn't drain reserves like an attack off the front does.
 
I don't think these are microdoses and blood bags, at least not for the two superstar of UAE and Jumbo. This is gene doping, mRNA.
You have me really confused now - is mRNA gene doping different from the gene doping that is already out there?

Are you familiar with FG-4592? (Roxadustat) - touted by endurance athletes as "oxygen in a pill." FG-4592 is a hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) that activates target genes that regulate erythropoiesis.


But like with CERA, the manufacturer assisted WADA in developing a test for FG4592:


 
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Shock-horror, a not so stick-thin GT winner can TT better than a Gesink-build dutch climber and a Track cyclist from a retirement home. Must be motors, but it‘s only ever one guy using motors because otherwise my motors don‘t explain the bigger time gaps. So sad that Pogačar is gatekeeping motors, except for when Ganna needs to beat him. Or is Ganna simply Superman and can beat a guy on an e-bike?
 

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