Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[QueenStagiaire]

Was a little on the ridiculous side today, still doped, gotta love the people who have to insinuate he slowed down on purpose in the end because three minutes gained doesn‘t get them to climax anymore.

 

[Ripper]

Was a little on the ridiculous side today, still doped, gotta love the people who have to insinuate he slowed down on purpose in the end because three minutes gained doesn‘t get them to climax anymore.

Wait, wut?

 

[Savant12]

Pog with all the effort of a Z2 ride. Fresh as a daisy!

 

[Ripper]

Nice to see the true bald fraud giving hugs at the finish line

 

[SorelyBoy]

Dead giveaway for me is that he never seems to go into the red. He accelerates and then just keeps it there for kilometre after kilometre with very little drop off. That’s not normal, especially not at altitude. With everyone else, except maybe Vingegaard, the body pays for its extra effort and therefore other riders have to ease back or risk blowing up altogether. It’s obviously breaking the laws of human physiology, yet not one commentator calls out the elephant in the room.

 

[solo80k]

Pog with all the effort of a Z2 ride. Fresh as a daisy!

He thought there's another climb in the final...

 

[Red Rick]

It was to be expected when sportswashing team #1 re signed him for a million years.

But hey, the media got their talking points

 

[Extinction]

Motor

 

[ppanther92]

Dead giveaway for me is that he never seems to go into the red. He accelerates and then just keeps it there for kilometre after kilometre with very little drop off. That’s not normal, especially not at altitude. With everyone else, except maybe Vingegaard, the body pays for its extra effort and therefore other riders have to ease back or risk blowing up altogether. It’s obviously breaking the laws of human physiology, yet not one commentator calls out the elephant in the room.

Why would he go into red when he is clearly the best rider? And your argument really makes no sense, when we saw the "I am dead. I am gone." Pogacar two years in a row at the Tour. So he goes to the limit and beyond. If he has to. But why should he do here?

E: maybe I should say I am not naive and have no illusions. But I honestly don't get the specific argument.

 

[solo80k]

Motor

It's a blood bag + maybe some extra ingredients. No way they could risk using mechanical doping...

 

[Extinction]

Why would he go into red when he is clearly the best rider? And your argument really makes no sense, when we saw the "I am dead. I am gone." Pogacar two years in a row at the Tour. So he goes to the limit and beyond. If he has to. But why should he do here?

E: maybe I should say I am not naive and have no illusions. But I honestly don't get the specific argument.

Alright, it's only the Giro, the competition is weak, however you look at it, but Wonderboy doesn't suffer. He kept Ganna in check yesterday and now this. There's something going on. It's too much.

 

[Extinction]

It's a blood bag + maybe some extra ingredients. No way they could risk using mechanical doping...

I'd like to think so, but this is just ridiculous.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Nice to see the true bald fraud giving hugs at the finish line

I know who you mean, but bald fraud doesn't exactly narrow things down when it comes to cycling.

 

[acm]

Show must go oooooon

 

[QueenStagiaire]

It's a blood bag + maybe some extra ingredients. No way they could risk using mechanical doping...

They could if others could as well or if there‘s some special interference with the UCI, where Pogačar‘s so far up their arse that he gets special conditions. Option 1 doesn‘t explain these differences and Option 2 requires a larger explanation, for why Pogačar has a motor and the others don‘t. I think if the motor guys are for real, they should camp in front of the UCI headquarters until Pogačar‘s bike is publicly disassembled directly after he crosses the finish line when he does a big performance like today.

 

[Ripper]

I know who you mean, but bald fraud doesn't exactly narrow things down when it comes to cycling.

This is very true!

 

[SorelyBoy]

Why would he go into red when he is clearly the best rider? And your argument really makes no sense, when we saw the "I am dead. I am gone." Pogacar two years in a row at the Tour. So he goes to the limit and beyond. If he has to. But why should he do here?

E: maybe I should say I am not naive and have no illusions. But I honestly don't get the specific argument.

There are basic laws of human physiology. Merely being ‘clearly the best rider’ doesn’t make you immune to them. If everyone else has to knock it off after a sustained additional effort, then why not the wonder boy? He put in an effort today that peak Froome could have sustained for, oh, about thirty to forty seconds. That gets him a gap of maybe 100 to 150 metres. Then he would have had to do what his body and watt meter are telling him. Knock it off, recover and maintain the gap as much as possible until he can maybe go again further up the road. But look at Pogacar, look at how the initial acceleration is made and then the wattage effort is sustained, the speed constant for a very long period of time. Uphill. At extreme altitude. That’s extremely odd to say the least. Pas normal as they say.

 

[solo80k]

They could if others could as well or if there‘s some special interference with the UCI, where Pogačar‘s so far up their arse that he gets special conditions. Option 1 doesn‘t explain these differences and Option 2 requires a larger explanation, for why Pogačar has a motor and the others don‘t. I think if the motor guys are for real, they should camp in front of the UCI headquarters until Pogačar‘s bike is publicly disassembled directly after he crosses the finish line when he does a big performance like today.

Aren't organizers or some WADA representative allowed to make such a bike disassembly for checks?

 

[Luthor]

Why would he go into red when he is clearly the best rider? And your argument really makes no sense, when we saw the "I am dead. I am gone." Pogacar two years in a row at the Tour. So he goes to the limit and beyond. If he has to. But why should he do here?

E: maybe I should say I am not naive and have no illusions. But I honestly don't get the specific argument.

Cracking 2 days in Tour doesn't prove anything. Even with doping you can have bad days. Pog is the dude who arrives fresh as a daisy at the end of monuments after huge solos.
You don't recover 3 minutes if you don't go into red.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Aren't organizers or some WADA representative allowed to make such a bike disassembly for checks?

They are allowed to but if you believe in the motor conspiracy that does nothing. It could be a cover-up.

 

[Extinction]

They are allowed to but if you believe in the motor conspiracy that does nothing. It could be a cover-up.

Conspiracy is when no such technology exists. Motor doping in cycling is real, but without riders getting caught it remains a "conspiracy".

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Conspiracy is when no such technology exists. Motor doping in cycling is real, but without riders getting caught it remains a "conspiracy".

It would appear you misunderstand me, the UCI covering up the motor usage of top pros would very clearly be them conspiring to deceive the general public, hence a conspiracy. I do not think you are conspiring with anyone.

 

[zlev11]

his numbers for today dont really look that good to be fair. they're pretty close to what Bernal was doing on the high altitude stages in 2021. this field is just a joke, there's one other real 3 week rider in the race and he's 38.

 

[Extinction]

It would appear you misunderstand me, the UCI covering up the motor usage of top pros would very clearly be them conspiring to deceive the general public, hence a conspiracy. I do not think you are conspiring with anyone.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[hfer07]

Cracking 2 days in Tour doesn't prove anything. Even with doping you can have bad days. Pog is the dude who arrives fresh as a daisy at the end of monuments after huge solos.
You don't recover 3 minutes if you don't go into red.

exactly.
Poga is not breaking a sweat at this Giro- It may sound exaggerated, but ask yourselves how can a rider have a 6+ plus gap to his nearest competitor at the end of the 2nd Week, with the option of even widening it more since the last week is supposed to be suitable for that purpose? can we foresee a 10 minute plus gap at the end of Il Giro? and you have to ask, how "weak" was hi competition ?