Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Colombiano Cadence]

I think the timings were all wrong today, I’m not convinced they were 3 mins down when he attacked, he was very quickly on the storer group and was about 40 secs down on nairo going over 2nd last climb. I reckon the gap was less than 2 mins when he attacked. It looked out of the ordinary but this is a terrible field. And this nairo us a shadow of previous nairo

 

[SorelyBoy]

There is something going wrong here. How is it that there is no competition? Wait, don't lambaste me. But what is he on?
The other greats suffered on the climbs, he does not. It's strange or queer or however it is said.

This 👆. Some of the other comments here are missing the point entirely. Forget about the competition, some are overstating its weakness in any case. Look at Pogacar. He does not appear to suffer on the climbs. He just rides like he’s on the flat, accelerating and then sustaining the gained velocity. Who else can do that? It’s just weird. Indeed he often crosses the line looking like he’s just rode down to the shops for the paper. In fact he did just that after yesterday’s time trial when everyone else looked like their heart was going to explode. No one else does that. Even Vingegaard usually looks a bit sweaty and breathless on the big stages.

 

[Froome]

his numbers for today dont really look that good to be fair. they're pretty close to what Bernal was doing on the high altitude stages in 2021. this field is just a joke, there's one other real 3 week rider in the race and he's 38.

I checked Pogacar numbers on Tourmalet last year comparing with foscagno, and he was better than today.

 

[SHAD0W93]

His rivals started the Giro by instantly racing for second place

Thomas was talking a lot of crap and stating he’s here to win.

 

[Froome]

This 👆. Some of the other comments here are missing the point entirely. Forget about the competition, some are overstating its weakness in any case. Look at Pogacar. He does not appear to suffer on the climbs. He just rides like he’s on the flat, accelerating and then sustaining the gained velocity. Who else can do that? It’s just weird. Indeed he often crosses the line looking like he’s just rode down to the shops for the paper. In fact he did just that after yesterday’s time trial when everyone else looked like their heart was going to explode. No one else does that. Even Vingegaard usually looks a bit sweaty and breathless on the big stages.

The "looks" in cycling are overrated. When i look to Roglic, it appears he is always good.

 

[SHAD0W93]

This also isn’t Pogacar’s goal to be 100% yet. Theoretically he can be even stronger at the Tour since that’s the main goal. Otherwise he has looked better compared to last year with the way he rides and looks.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

This also isn’t Pogacar’s goal to be 100% yet. Theoretically he can be even stronger at the Tour since that’s the main goal. Otherwise he has looked better compared to last year with the way he rides and looks.

I don't know how they are planning his form peaks. He's been flying since the start of March winning everything easily except the 3rd place in MSR. And this year there's no usual post-Liege pre-Tour break. I have no idea what to expect at the Tour TBH (likely a strong start but what's gonna happen in the last week?)

 

[GuntherL1]

I think the timings were all wrong today, I’m not convinced they were 3 mins down when he attacked, he was very quickly on the storer group and was about 40 secs down on nairo going over 2nd last climb. I reckon the gap was less than 2 mins when he attacked. It looked out of the ordinary but this is a terrible field. And this nairo us a shadow of previous nairo

Pogacar was 2m23s behind Quintana at the 15km mark and this was shortly after his attack.

 

[Nick2413]

The bigger question is why are just 2 guys consistently so far ahead of the rest? If Vingegaard was here they’d both probably be 10 min up on the others right now, trying to break each other. The outliers in a bell curve aren’t that big of outliers are they?

 

[Froome]

The bigger question is why are just 2 guys consistently so far ahead of the rest? If Vingegaard was here they’d both probably be 10 min up on the others right now, trying to break each other. The outliers in a bell curve aren’t that big of outliers are they?

Genetics.

 

[Nick2413]

Genetics.

Same question though. It would be like the best marathon runner outrunning everyone else by minutes every time. Even Kipchoge has/had closer competition on the biggest events.

 

[Froome]

Same question though. It would be like the best marathon runner outrunning everyone else by minutes every time. Even Kipchoge has/had closer competition on the biggest events.

Genetics plus they're bodies are responding very well to some nice products.

 

[Extinction]

This 👆. Some of the other comments here are missing the point entirely. Forget about the competition, some are overstating its weakness in any case. Look at Pogacar. He does not appear to suffer on the climbs. He just rides like he’s on the flat, accelerating and then sustaining the gained velocity. Who else can do that? It’s just weird. Indeed he often crosses the line looking like he’s just rode down to the shops for the paper. In fact he did just that after yesterday’s time trial when everyone else looked like their heart was going to explode. No one else does that. Even Vingegaard usually looks a bit sweaty and breathless on the big stages.

When Pantani won the 98 Giro, before winning the Tour that year, he actually had to sweat to drop an obstinate Tonkov. By contrast, Pogi has no competition and he is much better in the TT. Gianetti has engineered a monster who needs to be brought down, but all that scandalous Arab money, which is nothing else but sports washing, won't allow this fraud to be caught.

 

[GuntherL1]

Genetics.

Genetics that kicked in after he moved to UAE? Amazing technology.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Tadej Pogacar achieved one of the most astonishing feats of the last ten years: a very violent sprint of 13'' at 920 watts, a minute gained in two kilometres of climbing.

translating from the italiano here:

Giro d'Italia, perché Pogacar a Livigno ha fatto un'impresa

Tadej Pogacar ha realizzato una delle imprese più strabilianti degli ultimi dieci anni: scatto violentissimo di 13'' a 920 watt, un minuto guadagnato in due chilometri di salita. Le sue maxi colazioni durano 40 minuti

www.corriere.it

 

[ppanther92]

He does not appear to suffer on the climbs.

Again, he does not suffer here cause he has no reason to ride anywhere close to his limit. Why would he?
And the statement that he never does is simply not true, looking back at the past 2 Tours. “I am dead. I am gone.” He lost minutes to Zimmermann, Kwiatkowski, Barguil on that day. From the same group. And looked like dying on the bike.
But if you send me and Caleb Ewan up a climb, later will also be faster and not break a sweat in the process. Tells us to beat me, he never is on the limit. But tells us also nothing else really.

 

[ppanther92]

Same question though. It would be like the best marathon runner outrunning everyone else by minutes every time. Even Kipchoge has/had closer competition on the biggest events.

So Tour de France 22/23 and World Championship 22/23 do not exist?

 

[Salvarani]

There is something going wrong here. How is it that there is no competition? Wait, don't lambaste me. But what is he on?
The other greats suffered on the climbs, he does not. It's strange or queer or however it is said.

I think I see people bringing up how he has suffered in the past and how he isnt that good every day.

 

[ivanic]

12-13% faster than other contenders, WT contenders not continentals.

https://lanternerouge.com/2024/05/1...livignos-thin-air-giro-ditalia-stage-15-2024/


read these numbers and look Pogacar in the face, he doesn't struggle. He should die of suffering + altitude. Nothing.


He is a real-time laboratory experiment, this is really shabby, where are the journalists? everyone with a secure salary?

 

[AmRacer]

12-13% faster than other contenders, WT contenders not continentals.

https://lanternerouge.com/2024/05/1...livignos-thin-air-giro-ditalia-stage-15-2024/


read these numbers and look Pogacar in the face, he doesn't struggle. He should die of suffering + altitude. Nothing.


He is a real-time laboratory experiment, this is really shabby, where are the journalists? everyone with a secure salary?

And he will still struggle with a fish packer in top shape.

 

[Extinction]

And he will still struggle with a fish packer in top shape.

I don't know, they've rebooted and uploaded the 5.2 version. Vingegaard will arrive at the 4.2-5 version.

 

[Slavique Nuke]

Tadej Pogacar achieved one of the most astonishing feats of the last ten years: a very violent sprint of 13'' at 920 watts, a minute gained in two kilometres of climbing.

translating from the italiano here:

Giro d'Italia, perché Pogacar a Livigno ha fatto un'impresa

Tadej Pogacar ha realizzato una delle imprese più strabilianti degli ultimi dieci anni: scatto violentissimo di 13'' a 920 watt, un minuto guadagnato in due chilometri di salita. Le sue maxi colazioni durano 40 minuti

www.corriere.it

What does 13'' mean? Somehow I find it hard to make sense of these numbers.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I don't know, they've rebooted and uploaded the 5.2 version. Vingegaard will arrive at the 4.2-5 version.

They activated a new copy of Skeletor. He probably still can't ride a bike but if they teach him before the Tour Teddy will have his hands full.

 

[Netserk]

What does 13'' mean?

13 seconds.

 

[Slavique Nuke]

13 seconds.

But 920 watts for 13 seconds is not 'astonishing feats of the last ten years'