Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Monoxidator]

He basically started his winning career by crushing (his own) national hero when the whole country was ready to celebrate the ultimate triumph of their working class hero.
If that doesn't tell you, he's ready to do it all for success, then nothing will.

Giannetti won’t sign someone if they aren’t willing to suck blood (bags) to win.

 

[NFTtiddies]

How are people already forgetting the TT?

 

[DrSahl]

Stupid Pogacar forgot to take his ketones until his new ueber coach reminded him.
Those are exactly, exactly, the excuses the Armstrong sycophants were coming up with 20 years ago.
‘It’s the fiber weave in the Madone”, ‘his diet”, ‘the wind tunnel time”, ‘his altitude training” and so on.
They are beating Armstrong’s ftp numbers at the end of stage in the last week of the Tdf. That’s not possible

I remember when people said it was because he beat cancer, that had made his body inhuman in power.
While that tale was a good one, it was just that.. a tale and it was always obvious ofc.

But let me say this.. Armstrong did garner much awareness about it and thus helped make some good in all of this... What have Pog and Vinge done??

 

[DrSahl]

How are people already forgetting the TT?

Renard is the true champion most likely.

 

[repoman]

All valid points when comparing the gap between Vingegaard and Pogacar, but the reality is there are 150 other guys in the race that got absolutely smoked by Pogacar on that stage. You can add up all the things that Pogacar "did wrong" from a technical or tactical point of view to explain why he finished almost 1'40" down on Vingegaard, and he may well have been within 10 seconds of the win if he'd done everything right and was in shape, but that completely ignores the fact that the gap between Vingegaard and the rest of the field was almost three minutes. Take away Vingegaard and Pogacar and the results look like a normal TT with relatively minor gaps. Put Pogacar's time in there and he's still a massive anomaly on his own despite all his errors. And then Vingegaard is almost 100 seconds faster than him.

Those two are on a completely different level of thermonuclear compared to everyone else in the sport at the moment. That TT deserved all the scrutiny it got. But compared to what Tadej has done this season and how unaffected he seems after his literally superhuman efforts... Saying that it pales in comparison is a massive understatement. At least Vingegaard had the decency to slump over the handlebars in exhaustion after crossing the line on the TT.

How many of those 150 riders actually tried to ride that TT? What are typical gaps between the people that actually try on these TTs? It varies a ton, anywhere from 1 second to over a minute.
Vinge got 1:38 on Pogacar.
-20 for technical differences
1:18
Bike Change: 20 seconds
0:58
Bike weight discrepancy: 0:05
0:53

Is 0:53 seconds pure fitness discrepancy between a 58kg and a 64kg rider on a TT stage that had a 8.5% ramp and a 6km 8% climb at the end that took the winner 0:32:36 to complete so unbelievable? I don't think so.

People are completely disregarding the effect of that very steep climb in that stage, it's much easier to bleed time on a steep climb than a flat where you can do damage control a bit easier.

 

[E_F_]

How long does Tadej's top placement in this TdF stand? Chicken? Beef-eater? Cancer survivor?

 

[Monoxidator]

How many of those 150 riders actually tried to ride that TT? What are typical gaps between the people that actually try on these TTs? It varies a ton, anywhere from 1 second to over a minute.
Vinge got 1:38 on Pogacar.
-20 for technical differences
1:18
Bike Change: 20 seconds
0:58
Bike weight discrepancy: 0:05
0:53

Is 0:53 seconds pure fitness discrepancy between a 58kg and a 64kg rider on a TT stage that had a 8.5% ramp and a 6km 8% climb at the end that took the winner 0:32:36 to complete so unbelievable? I don't think so.

People are completely disregarding the effect of that very steep climb in that stage, it's much easier to bleed time on a steep climb than a flat where you can do damage control a bit easier.

Why is this still a debate? It doesn’t matter, what matters is catching these guys red handed and cleaning up the sport for another 10-15 years

 

[ashhutch1997]

How are people already forgetting the TT?

We're not, it was a farce and this forum went mad at the time, but that was ONE race. He also showed signs of weakness. Pogacar has dominated every race this year and looks fresh as a daisy at the end. He's literally not showed any signs of weakness or fatigue at all.

 

[ashhutch1997]

I remember when people said it was because he beat cancer, that had made his body inhuman in power.
While that tale was a good one, it was just that.. a tale and it was always obvious ofc.

But let me say this.. Armstrong did garner much awareness about it and thus helped make some good in all of this... What have Pog and Vinge done??

LA raised over $500, 000 in cancer research, I know people who suffered from Cancer and say that LA's story gave them motivation.
Hate him all you want, what he did for cancer awareness ect was very good.

 

[Saint Unix]

How many of those 150 riders actually tried to ride that TT?

Does it matter as long as enough of them did? Just look at the distribution in the picture posted earlier and tell me Vingegaard's performance is reasonable in any way.

Of course thermonuclear looks normal when you only compare it to thermonuclear. You have to look at what those two are doing in relation to the rest of the field to understand why it's so outrageous.

 

[DrSahl]

LA raised over $500, 000 in cancer research, I know people who suffered from Cancer and say that LA's story gave them motivation.
Hate him all you want, what he did for cancer awareness ect was very good.

That is exactly my point.
While it was totaly obviously and almost laughable how he performed with enchancements, he still used the scene to do some good things as well and that is something I do respect..

I disliked him as a rider, but as a person, I liked him more than Pog or Vinge, whom does not contribute to anything.. well Pog wants to be superman and be known as the most winning of everything... its so much over the top its tragic.

 

[burning]

Well, he is just going to sprint for the win instead of putting minutes into everyone else

 

[Monoxidator]

Breathing through his nose, totally relaxed while every other climber is put to the sword

 

[lenric]

 

[DrSahl]

Another easy win for Pog
Its hard to hate him, his made me a huge amount of cash..

 

[Saint Unix]

12 Grand Tour stage wins in one year, because there's no way he doesn't win tomorrow as well when he's in this form. Jesus Christ. He absolutely needs to do the Vuelta for the lulz.

 

[DrSahl]

12 Grand Tour stage wins in one year, because there's no way he doesn't win tomorrow as well when he's in this form. Jesus Christ. He absolutely needs to do the Vuelta for the lulz.

He might do the Vuelta, if his bored.

 

[burning]

12 Grand Tour stage wins in one year, because there's no way he doesn't win tomorrow as well when he's in this form. Jesus Christ. He absolutely needs to do the Vuelta for the lulz.

He should get better tbh, Maertens did win 13 stages in that Vuelta a while ago

 

[meat puppet]

If the team pr department has any sense in them, they radio control Pog to second place tomorrow

But it's UAE

 

[E_F_]

You could really see how much energy he had left over during the sprint... He looked desperate to just keep riding. He really blueballed himself today, lmao.

 

[Saint Unix]

He should get better tbh, Maertens did win 13 stages in that Vuelta a while ago

And another 7 at the Giro in the same year. Pogacar needs to go to Spain and win 9 stages and the overall if he wants to be anything worth a damn.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Stupid Pogacar forgot to take his ketones until his new ueber coach reminded him.
Those are exactly, exactly, the excuses the Armstrong sycophants were coming up with 20 years ago.
‘It’s the fiber weave in the Madone”, ‘his diet”, ‘the wind tunnel time”, ‘his altitude training” and so on.
They are beating Armstrong’s ftp numbers at the end of stage in the last week of the Tdf. That’s not possible

Ah but what you're forgetting about Armstrong is all the cyclocross training he did during the winter to keep himself in tip top condition, also if you remember correctly he'd spent a lot of time 'working on his cadence'.

 

[lenric]

And another 7 at the Giro in the same year. Pogacar needs to go to Spain and win 9 stages and the overall if he wants to be anything worth a damn.

win all the jerseys available too, leave nothing for the peasants

 

[lenric]

Ah but what you're forgetting about Armstrong is all the cyclocross training he did during the winter to keep himself in tip top condition, also if you remember correctly he'd spent a lot of time 'working on his cadence'.

 

[E_F_]

win all the jerseys available too, leave nothing for the peasants

He probably would...