Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Tim Cahill]

Whatever he took there at 11k to go seemed fast acting at least.

And again there, what's that about

 

[Stablo]

Of course VdP is juiced. But this PR showed once again that Pog will drop others on the flat simply because of the power in his legs.

No need for so called cycling experts to bombard us with theory about weight etc. when the simple fact is Pog has a surreal amount of power, for xyz reasons. It's enough to destroy everyone who isn't VdP in Roubaix.

This is absolutely bonkers. I would so much like to know, what is the thing UAE/Gianetti&Co has come up or developed. This in Roubaix after shattering the Giro and Tour, not even talking about beating Pantani, Armstrong and others records on HC-climbs with minutes. It's just laughable tbh. Had to check the average weight&height of past Roubaix winners and found out it was late 70s early 80s since someone even under 70kg won and those are like one time anomalies.

Paris–Roubaix Statistics: Unique Insights and Data (2025)

Which Paris–Roubaix stats 📊📈 are your favorite? 🤔😊

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You can check from there. And yes Poggie didn't win today, but that was only because of the mistake and propably the all time best cobbles&CX rider(who is also juiced). Otherwise it would have been a walk in the park-solo again and it's very sick&frightening.
Edit.
P.S. In the post race interview MVDP accidentally? made the his not normal-comment regarding the Gianetti-creation😉

 

[Ripper]

And again there, what's that about

Don't know but it is a bit hard to believe

The boy is quite greedy. In that way, he seems worse than Pharmstrong

 

[Rackham]

This absolutely bonkers. I would so much like to know, what is the thing UAE/Gianetti&Co has come up or developed. This in Roubaix after shattering the Giro and Tour, not even talking about beating Pantani, Armstrong and others records on HC-climbs with minutes. It's just laughable tbh. Had to check the average weight&height of past Roubaix winners and found out it was late 70s early 80s since someone even under 70kg won and those are like one time anomalies.

Paris–Roubaix Statistics: Unique Insights and Data (2025)

Which Paris–Roubaix stats 📊📈 are your favorite? 🤔😊

www.cyclistshub.com

You can check from there. And yes Poggie didn't win today, but that was only because of the mistake and propably the all time best cobbles&CX rider(who is also juiced). Otherwise it would have been a walk in the park-solo again and it's very sick&frightening.

I called it weeks ago.

I've seen people attempt to rationalize how Pog destroyed the flat section of LPdBF 2020 TdF ITT, or how he demolished Evenepoel on the flat in Lombardia last autumn (among many other such examples). Yeah there's always 'caveats' but the trend is pretty straight-forward: Pog on his day can wreck the most aero or most powerful rouleurs on their terrain because he just keeps on going and going.

People will also praise Pog for his positioning at the front of the bunch, but once again that's really just down to his constant endless energy to do micro sprints to replace himself again, again and again whilst never tiring.

So we're face with a constant here, i.e. Pog's dominance is about being a real life Duracell Bunny. Not weight, rider profile, climbing or whatever. But simply that 'battery' he has in his legs.

 

[Stablo]

I called it weeks ago.

I've seen people attempt to rationalize how Pog destroyed the flat section of LPdBF 2020 TdF ITT, or how he demolished Evenepoel on the flat in Lombardia last autumn (among many other such examples). Yeah there's always 'caveats' but the trend is pretty straight-forward: Pog on his day can wreck the most aero or most powerful rouleurs on their terrain because he just keeps on going and going.

People will also praise Pog for his positioning at the front of the bunch, but once again that's really just down to his constant endless energy to do micro sprints to replace himself again, again and again whilst never tiring.

So we're face with a constant here, i.e. Pog's dominance is about being a real life Duracell Bunny. Not weight, rider profile, climbing or whatever. But simply that 'battery' he has in his legs.

Been thinking similar things ever since that 2020 TDF ITT and it has only been going crazier season after season. I mean Poggie is obviously talented, but there's zero chance his naturally this much and in this style above all the others. We currently even have more riders considered generational talents, than we have had in a long while. The others can occasionally beat the monster, but not all year around and all terrain. His basically never has a bad day or runs like energy like you said, hell his even a quite good sprinter. Sometimes im so annoyed by this clown show from UAE&Poggie, but i still try to enjoy the races and i have noticed for the past years, that im always wishing someone else would win. It's gone so far that i don't care who it is, even if I dont otherwise like the rider in question, as long as Poggie doesn't win. Last time it was like this for me, was wheb Pharmastrong dominated the Tour(a bit with Froomey also, cause that was some weird stuff too).

 

[Unchained]

Unsure where exactly the UAE Gianetti genius was today, came went and didn't conquer.. Bikes sequestered immediately for podium and random others, no motors found. at least not yet anyway. Whatever is being used or was developed it doesn't work every time..

 

[Stablo]

Unsure where exactly the UAE Gianetti genius was today, came went and didn't conquer.. Bikes sequestered immediately for podium and random others, no motors found. at least not yet anyway. Whatever is being used or was developed it doesn't work every time..

If you consider the context, it worked just fine. A 65kg HC-cols and GT-dominator was fighting for a Paris-Roubaix victory, with one of the all time best if not the greatest classics&cobbles rider, who is also
10kg(that's almost 20%) heavier than Poggie, but the crash sealed the fight. Lemond was the last rider who came even remotely close to a feat like this and he was a lot less dominant else where. So I would like to say "something" worked very well.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This guy is just the greatest ever! Genetics and probably a great responder to a magical program created this freak!

 

[Casual cyclist]

If you consider the context, it worked just fine. A 65kg HC-cols and GT-dominator was fighting for a Paris-Roubaix victory, with one of the all time best if not the greatest classics&cobbles rider, who is also
10kg(that's almost 20%) heavier than Poggie, but the crash sealed the fight. Lemond was the last rider who came even remotely close to a feat like this and he was a lot less dominant else where. So I would like to say "something" worked very well.

That's it. Motor or not, when you are on such treacherous terrain, crashes become more likely, especially for someone without extensive CX experience Matt PdV possesses. Speaking on the latter, his performances seem to have been significantly "upgraded" in the last couple of years as well. In particular, the naturally explosive rider best at multiple accelerations became a diesel of sorts -- where Wout used to excel. Witness long solo forays today and especially last year when he won PR (and Flanders) via extended constant speed solo rides.

 

[Casual cyclist]

I called it weeks ago.

I've seen people attempt to rationalize how Pog destroyed the flat section of LPdBF 2020 TdF ITT, or how he demolished Evenepoel on the flat in Lombardia last autumn (among many other such examples). Yeah there's always 'caveats' but the trend is pretty straight-forward: Pog on his day can wreck the most aero or most powerful rouleurs on their terrain because he just keeps on going and going.

People will also praise Pog for his positioning at the front of the bunch, but once again that's really just down to his constant endless energy to do micro sprints to replace himself again, again and again whilst never tiring.

So we're face with a constant here, i.e. Pog's dominance is about being a real life Duracell Bunny. Not weight, rider profile, climbing or whatever. But simply that 'battery' he has in his legs.

Or the one in his trusty steed.

 

[Stablo]

Someone mentioned it else where too, but one thing that makes Poggie so much less likeable are the fans, like for real. This freaking GOAT talk on top of it all is a bit ahead of the time, it's annoying but also makes me laugh. The guy has now been the best in the results for a whopping four years and even of those years on two he (for our luck) wasn't at least that much better than the other top riders. Maybe theyre just trolling, but the term is used very lightly and it's disrespectfull towards the real sport "goats", usually you have to be on the absolute top at least for a decade, at least! Take names like Merckx, Hinault, Gretzky, LeBron, Jordan, Bolt, Djokovic, Federer, Nadal etc. and then they basically put Teddy-boy up there at the same level already. Give me a break.

Imho he is currently fighting Lance and couple of others for being the goat of cheating and peds🤌😂. Gianetti is also high on that list for his "achievements" in sports medicine and pushing the human limit.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I demand to see his long form birth certificate. It can't be ruled out that he's an average level rider from the future who's been send back in time in order to... well I'm not totally what the goal is, but he'll probably achieve it if he hasn't already.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Someone mentioned it else where too, but one thing that makes Poggie so much less likeable are the fans, like for real. This freaking GOAT talk on top of it all is a bit ahead of the time, it's annoying but also makes me laugh. The guy has now been the best in the results for a whopping four years and even of those years on two he (for our luck) wasn't at least that much better than the other top riders. Maybe theyre just trolling, but the term is used very lightly and it's disrespectfull towards the real sport "goats", usually you have to be on the absolute top at least for a decade, at least! Take names like Merckx, Hinausta, Gretzky, LeBron, Jordan, Bolt, Djokovic, Federer, Nadal etc. and then they basically put Teddy-boy up there at the same level already. Give me a break.

Imho he is currently fighting Lance and couple of others for being the goat of cheating and peds🤌😂. Gianetti is also high on that list for his "achievements" in sports medicine and pushing the human limit.

So you talk about being the GOAT of cheating and Nadal wasn't a cheater? ...

 

[Froome]

Someone mentioned it else where too, but one thing that makes Poggie so much less likeable are the fans, like for real. This freaking GOAT talk on top of it all is a bit ahead of the time, it's annoying but also makes me laugh. The guy has now been the best in the results for a whopping four years and even of those years on two he (for our luck) wasn't at least that much better than the other top riders. Maybe theyre just trolling, but the term is used very lightly and it's disrespectfull towards the real sport "goats", usually you have to be on the absolute top at least for a decade, at least! Take names like Merckx, Hinausta, Gretzky, LeBron, Jordan, Bolt, Djokovic, Federer, Nadal etc. and then they basically put Teddy-boy up there at the same level already. Give me a break.

Imho he is currently fighting Lance and couple of others for being the goat of cheating and peds🤌😂. Gianetti is also high on that list for his "achievements" in sports medicine and pushing the human limit.

I will laugh a lot if in a couple of years he ends like armstrong.

He will go to the slovenian Oprah telling he was taking worms from gianneti and matxin.

 

[Stablo]

So you talk about being the GOAT of cheating and Nadal wasn't a cheater? ...

Not at all, but Poggie is still higher on that regard too. In tennis I always liked Federer a lot more too. Anyway the point was that you cant yet talk about Dopacars palmares even in the same sentence with the likes I mentioned. Messi is also a great example of a sportsman who deserves to be called the goat and even that is debatable. So it is silly to call someone goat after a few amazing years, that's just plain disrespect towards the real all time greats of any sports.

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Dire times when you have to root for a soulless shell like MVDP just so that this guy doesn't (quite literally) win every monument he ever enters in the last 3 years.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Not at all, but Poggie is still higher on that regard too. In tennis I always liked Federer a lot more too. Anyway the point was that you cant yet talk about Dopacars palmares even in the same sentence with the likes I mentioned. Messi is also a great example of a sportsman who deserves to be called the goat and even that is debatable. So it is silly to call someone goat after a few amazing years, that's just plain disrespect towards the real all time greats of any sports.

Nadal was an all time great already in 2010. Messi and Ronaldo the same before turning 28 years old

 

[Froome]

Nadal was an all time great already in 2010. Messi and Ronaldo the same before turning 28 years old

But it doesn't make any sense calling ronaldo a GOAT, even less if we are talking about pogacar.

 

[Stablo]

Nadal was an all time great already in 2010. Messi and Ronaldo the same before turning 28 years old

They where among the the all time best at that point, not "the greatest ever" or GOAT, like people kept on shouting regarding Poggie last season already. And for me Ronaldo doesn't even reach the goat-level, too one sided for that. One of the best for sure.

 

[hayneplane]

They where among the the all time best at that point, not "the greatest ever" or GOAT, like people kept on shouting regarding Poggie last season already. And for me Ronaldo doesn't even reach the goat-level, too one sided for that. One of the best for sure.

There can only be one GOAT in a sport because greatest is singular. Anyone else can only reach the tier of being an ATG (all time great).

 

[Stablo]

There can only be one GOAT in a sport because greatest is singular. Anyone else can only reach the tier of being an ATG (all time great).

Yes and that was part of the point, when the fan boys keep on throwing the term GOAT everywhere. The names i mentioned are at least in the ballpark of possibly deserving to be called goat. Imho the whole term is stupid to use, cause usually you can't clearly say that one athlete is the goat for certain, too many variables involved. There are only a few (if any) you can say was/is clearly the goat of their sport.

 

[Ripper]

Yes and that was part of the point, when the fan boys keep on throwing the term GOAT everywhere. The names i mentioned are at least in the ballpark of possibly deserving to be called goat. Imho the whole term is stupid to use, cause usually you can't clearly say that one athlete is the goat for certain, too many variables involved. There are only a few (if any) you can say was/is clearly the goat of their sport.

I think calling your favorite athlete who is still active the GOAT is a fairly common thing in certain generations (even though I agree with you that it is inaccurate)

 

[MortiroloForever]

It's simple: what do you want show time or truth? It's time for show time.

He is by far the strongest rider everywhere he goes. He atttacks once, and once again and when it looks like he is gutted, he takes and extra boost to smash (almost) them all.

It's not that he wins everything he rides, it's the way he does it. Race after race he turns the competition in a savage carnage. As spectators we can be blessed to see someone who goes full gas every race he does, but the demons in my mind remind me that there is no fatigue in his performances. It's been almost a year and a half that he has been like a super hero and he comes back even stronger.

He is the most ambitious in the peloton and he always makes the right moves and get the goal, performing exhibition after exhibition. What about an 80 kilometers solo ride in the Worlds? Hold my beer! 6 stages victories in the Tour de France after 6 stages victories in the Giro? He can do it and make it easy! First time in Roubaix: Should he be patient and cautious because he doesn't know how hard it can be? No worries, he is attacking in Arenberg and dropping everybody but MVDP.

Nobody would bet against him in the upcoming Ardennes classic. He is going to do the hat trick. In terms of spectacle, the only doubt I have is where he is going to make the break.

 

[Stablo]

I think calling your favorite athlete who is still active the GOAT is a fairly common thing in certain generations (even though I agree with you that it is inaccurate)

Yes indeed and it's annoying or like you said inaccurete.

 

[pastronef]

despite his motor (and the bitter cries of the twitter antidopers when he changed his bike "there you go a new motor") he kept losing ground and was totally fcked at the end, watch the replay before he gets to the -4 km to go.
so where are these invisible motors when you need them?