Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Netserk]

Quite hilarious, that of all the things to be frustated about, you are frustrated that Pogacar's thread isn't as long as Evenepoel's. You'll be happy to know, that by now Pogacar's clinic thread at least is much longer than Evenepoel's clinic thread.


Van Aert was very disappointed by his own performance. Obviously there was his surgery, but he also said he didn't feel the power in his legs. He already knew during warm-up.
I think top/peak Van Aert should have been able to do better than Küng here, so he would probably have been able to beat Pogacar as well.


Probably this:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/world-championship-itt/2019/result
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/volta-ao-algarve/2020/stage-5
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/vuelta-ciclista-a-la-provincia-de-san-juan/2020/stage-3
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/uec-road-european-championships-itt/2019/result

We’ll see at the WCTT if the skinnier Evenepoel has as many watts as previously. That one is quite flat, right? And he should have time enough to be at his best.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

We’ll see at the WCTT if the skinnier Evenepoel has as many watts as previously. That one is quite flat, right? And he should have time enough to be at his best.

WC ITT is completely flat yes. There'll likely be a lot of wind though, it's near the coast, so different conditions regardless. Yesterday's ITT wasn't completely flat either. I'm actually wondering if he intends to put on some weight by then, for this occasion.

 

[solo80k]

The Chicken said two years ago, that his doping regime would be possible for him to pull off, even under the bio-passport era. According to him, he'd probably get flagged for targeted testing due to the watts he was pushing, not because of a bio-passport flag. This is not a thread about The Chicken, or indeed the era he rode in.

But...

For me, it could explain what we're seeing nowadays; tried and tested methods, but with much smaller doses being administered, making it harder to detect both in testing and on the bio-passport. To my knowledge, there's no way of detecting autologous blood transfusions if there's no traces of plastic to detect in the blood? Please do enlighten me if i'm way behind the bandwagon here

No way to detect BB

 

[PhiLiz]

According tothe portuguese eurosport commentators (which include José Azevedo, btw) it's all a result of wind tunel testing. Those who question Pogacar ITT results are just frustated people.

Nothing to see here boys, move along!

Well, Paulo Merdins, Luís Piçoarra and Gonçalo Merdeira are a joke. "Ace" is a borderline troll, the way he keeps referencing Cancer Jesus in a positive light and omerting all the way. Just when you thought you couldn't get any worse than Chagas...

A pathetic broadcasting experience all around.

 

[Ripper]

No way to detect BB

And folks have gotten smarter with people like contador getting popped for using a plastic bag

 

[solo80k]

And folks have gotten smarter with people like contador getting popped for using a plastic bag

That's not a case, you could probably get quite nice results of anomaly detection after a few hours after transfusion using ML/DL algorithms. A single value is not a factor, but a combination of many markers used for classification could be devastating for dopers.

The main thing is lack of the data needed for training/testing such algorithms - how can you gather data of pre/post blood transfusion same markers for healthy, skin, athletes between 18 and 45 yo within certain time period between transfusion? Good luck with data collection process unless you have a big amount of money to perform such experiment.

 

[Ripper]

That's not a case, you could probably get quite nice results of anomaly detection after a few hours after transfusion using ML/DL algorithms. A single value is not a factor, but a combination of many markers used for classification could be devastating for dopers.

The main thing is lack of the data needed for training/testing such algorithms - how can you gather data of pre/post blood transfusion same markers for healthy, skin, athletes between 18 and 45 yo within certain time period between transfusion? Good luck with data collection process unless you have a big amount of money to perform such experiment.

My point was mainly that the dopers are always ahead of the testers. Sometimes there is a catch up that occurs (e.g. detecting plasticizers), but then the chasm between doping and catching dopers increases again. It's like a slinky!

 

[Escarabajo]

According tothe portuguese eurosport commentators (which include José Azevedo, btw) it's all a result of wind tunel testing. Those who question Pogacar ITT results are just frustated people.

Nothing to see here boys, move along!

This is something I really dislike of dopers. They start giving excuses. Froome did it and Armstrong used to do it all the time.

Today UAE were saying that a key for the win was the recognizance of the course. Please stop it. Just STFU. I like the way Nibali or Vino do it. Just man up and own your actions and shut up. The more you give excuses the more I am suspect of them.

 

[topt]

Quite hilarious, that of all the things to be frustated about, you are frustrated that Pogacar's thread isn't as long as Evenepoel's. You'll be happy to know, that by now Pogacar's clinic thread at least is much longer than Evenepoel's clinic thread.

well, that is to be expected; everybody knows Remco is a product of good belgian cycling genes and Pogacar, well the guy is from some noncycling country called slovakia or something, so its obvious he is not clean.

 

[MikeS369]

At least Sky won with money not drugs.

Please.

 

[MikeS369]

Pretty sure the poster is not saying vdP is clean. But TP is looking pretty serene while he spanks out riders who weight more but are known wattage monkeys (and some who would be considered better at the flat TT).

MvdP totally is not normal here, and given his proven characteristics, this is a really silly change. This is TP's thread though and TP just is taking the pi** now

The guy reminded me of Armstrong. Put out a crap ton of power over a long period of time and appeared to not suffer or struggle. Finishes and isn't even breathing hard. Now that is Lance like.

 

[Oldermanish]

The guy reminded me of Armstrong. Put out a crap ton of power over a long period of time and appeared to not suffer or struggle. Finishes and isn't even breathing hard. Now that is Lance like.

Pogacar had serious credentials as a young kid and has been racing for awhile. His talent is a known at least as much as Remco's so they exist as great genetic specimens. Lance....not so much.

 

[Ripper]

well, that is to be expected; everybody knows Remco is a product of good belgian cycling genes and Pogacar, well the guy is from some noncycling country called slovakia or something, so its obvious he is not clean.

I'm not sure if you're just grinching in general, claiming unfairness that 'others' aren't considered dopers, or trying somehow to defend TP is cleanz?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

well, that is to be expected; everybody knows Remco is a product of good belgian cycling genes and Pogacar, well the guy is from some noncycling country called slovakia or something, so its obvious he is not clean.

Two issues with your post:
1/ Pogacar isn't from a country called Slovakia.
2/ You wasted a perfectly good opportunity here "Pogacar's clinic thread is much longer because his performances are so much bigger"

 

[Koronin]

well, that is to be expected; everybody knows Remco is a product of good belgian cycling genes and Pogacar, well the guy is from some noncycling country called slovakia or something, so its obvious he is not clean.

I'm fairly sure he's from Slovenia not Slovakia or the fictional Marvel/ MCU country of Sokovia. Although I guess if we do end up with someone from a fictional country then we have bigger issues than doping.

 

[memyselfandI]

We’ll see at the WCTT if the skinnier Evenepoel has as many watts as previously. That one is quite flat, right? And he should have time enough to be at his best.

But there's some negative trend winning at the Olympics, is there? You'll end up to the two man escape group at the TdF, as you didn't want to..and there you are with your shiny golden helmet.

 

[topt]

Two issues with your post:
1/ Pogacar isn't from a country called Slovakia.
2/ You wasted a perfectly good opportunity here "Pogacar's clinic thread is much longer because his performances are so much bigger"

1. I said or something
2. did not want to do that cause we all know if Remco wasnt injured he would be far ahead of Pogacar

 

[topt]

I'm not sure if you're just grinching in general, claiming unfairness that 'others' aren't considered dopers, or trying somehow to defend TP is cleanz?

I guess a bit of both, some of the claims in this thread are so dumb you just cant take is seriously

 

[solo80k]

I'm fairly sure he's from Slovenia not Slovakia or the fictional Marvel/ MCU country of Sokovia. Although I guess if we do end up with someone from a fictional country then we have bigger issues than doping.

You're so bright. If there will be a set of blood bags signed "Ultron", we know who's the owner.

 

[Ripper]

I guess a bit of both, some of the claims in this thread are so dumb you just cant take is seriously

Got it. But not all the comments in this thread are dumb, many are also reasonable, and there are pretty valid reasons for suspicion. But it sounds like you agree your posts are a combo of grinching, perceived unfairness (but you have seen the other threads about other riders I hope?), and you at least partly believe TP is cleanz.

 

[PhiLiz]

I guess a bit of both, some of the claims in this thread are so dumb you just cant take is seriously

Not as dumb as confusing Slovakia and Slovenia, tho.

 

[Red Rick]

Not as dumb as confusing Slovakia and Slovenia, tho.

Pretty sure that was deliberate.

Poes law strikes again.

 

[JosefK]

Tadej putting on the mere-mortal mask for a while today (stage 7).

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Tadej putting on the mere-mortal mask for a while today (stage 7).

He can be a human this year unless WVA suddenly rediscovers his top form.

 

[Froome]

WVA will be a surprise on this tour. It was a big mistake let him win so many time today.