Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[BullsFan22]

So after Contador you decided to take a sure bet for fandom? I was a big fan of Alberto, it started when he was fighting the chicken and got all my respect after beating Pharmastrong. So for me it's really hard to understand why are you know supporting pog, who is way worse in the cheating part than Lance ever was. Alberto wasn't clean either, but he was not even in the same solar system than teddy, lol. He was human!

How do you know Pogačar is ‘way worse in the cheating part than Lance ever was?’

 

[Peyroteo94]

So after Contador you decided to take a sure bet for fandom? I was a big fan of Alberto, it started when he was fighting the chicken and got all my respect after beating Pharmastrong. So for me it's really hard to understand why are you know supporting pog, who is way worse in the cheating part than Lance ever was. Alberto wasn't clean either, but he was not even in the same solar system than teddy, lol. He was human!

I'm a big fan of Pogacar since he won the last mountain stage in the Vuelta (I notice him when he won Tour de l'Avenir and specially Volta ao Algarve but in the Vuelta he conquered me). So no, I'm a fan before his rise to be honest.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Luck merchant is fortunate that vingegard didn't 'recon' the ITT like he did at combloux.

 

[E_F_]

How do you know Pogačar is ‘way worse in the cheating part than Lance ever was?’

Because he pushes watts Lance wouldn't even have on his Y-axis when drawing graphs of his training output.

 

[Berniece]

And you keep lying to yourself Remco can beat him in classics or Vingegaard will win the Tour. Those are just wishful thinkings.

Because there was a case to be made, but if he starts doing stuff like this today, then what’s the point

 

[Peyroteo94]

Because there was a case to be made, but if he starts doing stuff like this today, then what’s the point

Buddy, I don't know what cycling have you been watching but he does stuff like today on a daily basis since 2024.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I’m close to being done with any race he participates in

Mate it's been like this for 2 years. He pissed all over cycling in 2024. I'm just grateful he didnt show to the giro this year

 

[Abedfo]

Tour over. Glad I haven't wasted any actual time watching the race.

 

[Stablo]

I'm a big fan of Pogacar since he won the last mountain stage in the Vuelta (I notice him when he won Tour de l'Avenir and specially Volta ao Algarve but in the Vuelta he conquered me). So no, I'm a fan before his rise to be honest.

Fair enough, but for me it looked suspicious even that time and the PDBF with Gianetti in the team sealed it for me. This past two years have only been the icing on the cake. I stick to my point it was a lot easier to like Bertie. Now it's like supporting froomie with pog all those years🙏🏼

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I'm a big fan of Pogacar since he won the last mountain stage in the Vuelta (I notice him when he won Tour de l'Avenir and specially Volta ao Algarve but in the Vuelta he conquered me). So no, I'm a fan before his rise to be honest.

Looking back, it was the first thermonuclear performance of Pogacar's career

 

[Berniece]

Buddy, I don't know what cycling have you been watching but he does stuff like today on a daily basis since 2024.

Yeah, and first there was the idea that he wasn’t able to do such a thing a whole season. Also riding like this wasn’t in 2024, never showed to be such a good time trialist. Why not ride WC ITT then, he could’ve won it

 

[Notarobot]

Watched a 9 year old YouTube vid about motor in bike, back then it was very small, very powerful and still a bit noisy. So you wonder what Pogacar is using now... Cycling is done.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

empty words...

Empty house, too, when he's done moving out.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yeah, and first there was the idea that he wasn’t able to do such a thing a whole season. Also riding like this wasn’t in 2024, never showed to be such a good time trialist. Why not ride WC ITT then, he could’ve won it

No, he can't beat Remco or Ganna on a flat TT. A hilly? Of course but I think he doesn't care. He already showed monster performances on flat courses in the Tour. People (including you) forget the Tour is the highest peak of Pogacar. What he shows in April, September are mini peaks, but nothing close to his Tour shape.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yeah, and first there was the idea that he wasn’t able to do such a thing a whole season. Also riding like this wasn’t in 2024, never showed to be such a good time trialist. Why not ride WC ITT then, he could’ve won it

Pogacar can produce superb time-trials when close to his peak form. Look at history of his TTs in Tour/Giro. Even at his peak he's worse than Remco on flat/rolling TTs though.

The interesting part is that Remco can produce great TTs even when not in the best form (or even overweight). Pogacar's TT performance window is narrower. It's kinda opposite to mountains: Remco needs to be near his peak to be one of the best climbers while Pogacar far from his peak is still among the best.

 

[Stablo]

How do you know Pogačar is ‘way worse in the cheating part than Lance ever was?’

It's called connecting the knots. The same how I knew that Lance was on a superior program and protection back in the days. Simple actually, when something considering the facts/team/manager is too good to be true, it usually is just that. There's a sentence for all this: "I am sorry you can't believe in miracles" yes I can't 🤌🙏🏼

 

[Axel Hangleck]

No.

No. No I’m not. The gap to Remco at the end, on that type of course, was scandalously small. Pas normal as the French would say.

I expected something like 30-40 secs on a flattish course......

However, call me naive, but I honestly think he's just a physiological freak - and not anything else. If I'm wrong, then I'll hold my hands up......

 

[pelotonIQ]

Yesterday the theme in here was that he is motor-doping and today the theme is that he is doping more than Lance , except he didn't even win todays stage, Remco did. What does this say about Remco, is he also a doper?

 

[Peyroteo94]

I expected something like 30-40 secs on a flattish course......

However, call me naive, but I honestly think he's just a physiological freak - and not anything else. If I'm wrong, then I'll hold my hands up......

Motor doping is just stupid and even if it's a reality, only Pogacar uses it? Please...
Like you said he is just a physiological freak (and this also means being a better responder).

 

[Nomad]

Yesterday the theme in here was that he is motor-doping and today the theme is that he is doping more than Lance , except he didn't even win todays stage, Remco did. What does this say about Remco, is he also a doper?

Was Ulrich a doper when he beat Armstrong in that TT back in the 03 Tour?

C'mon man, this is professional cycling...most everyone is looking for an edge. Lol.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Was Ulrich a doper when he beat Armstrong in that TT back in the 03 Tour?

C'mon man, this is professional cycling...most everyone is looking for an edge. Lol.

Only issue is if Pogacar is motor doping and the only one doing it, the times when Pogacar is beaten or ridden close to by Vingegaard what the heck is he on.

 

[SorelyBoy]

All the apologists for Pogacar can give us any amount of excuses and explanations for Pogacar’s performance levels. Superior genetics. Superior training. Superior feeding strategies (lol). Zone 2. Seated attack yoga techniques. Yada yada yada. It can all be used to justify, in some people’s eyes, the most ridiculous, credulity busting performances. However, nothing he does will ever remove the stain represented by his affiliation with Mauro Gianetti. No amount of brilliant white sports washing (copyright UAE) will ever take it away. Every win, every performance will have to be accompanied with that huge asterisk. And with it the eternal doubt that any of it was real.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Was Ulrich a doper when he beat Armstrong in that TT back in the 03 Tour?

C'mon man, this is professional cycling...most everyone is looking for an edge. Lol.

I understand you, then we put every rider accountable, I'm just against this biased witch-hunt towards 1 single rider (even when he doesn't win) when it's likely that everyone is taking performance enhancers.

 

[Blobs]

I understand you, then we put every rider accountable, I'm just against this biased witch-hunt towards 1 single rider (even when he doesn't win) when it's likely that everyone is taking performance enhancers.

Maybe if you compare his results to any other rider you will understand why he is scrutinized the most.

Also consider how he accomplished his sudden, unprecedented in the sport, quantum leap in level, last year.

 

[BullsFan22]

Because he pushes watts Lance wouldn't even have on his Y-axis when drawing graphs of his training output.

Oh, ok. I am convinced now. Thanks!