Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[daking123]

I don't think it's that crazy fast, because by 2025 standards I don't think it was a fast record at all.

Your opinion doesn’t really matter here the facts speak for themselves. They blew Mayo’s record out of the water, and he set his during a time trial. Let that sink in.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

It feels like, once he knew he couldn't win the stage, that he dialed it back a bit. If the gap had been 1-2 minutes smaller, no doubt he would have won the stage and put another minute into JV.

Disagree. In the end they were 43s behind VPP with Vingegaards pace. If he indeed could've put another minute into Vingo, that would put him over the line before VPP. So if he was so desperate, why didn't he just do so? I think he was happy defending it or couldn't go much faster today.

About sprinting to the line: these two have been doing this so often by now, the one time Pogi didn't do it it was a minor talking point if he was being arrogant in the Dauphiné.

 

[Unchained]

So does doping protect you from falling ill? And if so: do we believe vdP is cleanz?

In it's early days exactly the opposite, when you experiment with blood doping you remove are store what you think ( thought) was healthy rich red blood..ooops!! The bagged blood not being circulating through the system has finite amount of antibodies, who work until they are gone, so yes you get some benefits, but you are also getting a transfusion, volume of blood with disproportionately low white cell counts.. The cycling equivalent of eating food off the floor of subway or bus station floor!! It's the other definition of dirty bags..

 

[ashhutch1997]

They blew Mayo’s record out of the water, and he set his during a time trial. Let that sink in.

Tbf Lance Armstrong couldn't get close to Pantani's Alpe d'Huez record in the ITT, and was closer in 2001 which was a 210k stage.

 

[Blobs]

Tbf Lance Armstrong couldn't get close to Pantani's Alpe d'Huez record in the ITT, and was closer in 2001 which was a 210k stage.

And today was a unipuerto stage where they were paced by teammates for a big part of the climb. And it's the Tour and not Dauphiné

 

[Red Rick]

And today was a unipuerto stage where they were paced by teammates for a big part of the climb. And it's the Tour and not Dauphiné

It was paced by teammates for way too long. Chalet Reynard was basically going Simon Yates on the asphalt section of Finestre pace and Yates was soloing the whole thing at a higher altitude.

If there's a section where drafting helps tremendously it's the first 5-6km until they hit the steep part, not the part after.

 

[Blobs]

It was paced by teammates for way too long. Chalet Reynard was basically going Simon Yates on the asphalt section of Finestre pace and Yates was soloing the whole thing at a higher altitude.

If there's a section where drafting helps tremendously it's the first 5-6km until they hit the steep part, not the part after.

Well they were paced there too.

My point is I'm not sure there's much of an advantage in riding a MTT compared to a unipuerto stage, where you can get pace for most of the climb.

 

[topt]

as far as I'm aware that is the point of this thread...one can't raise these issues in the main forums; what would the point of this thread be otherwise?

Good question what is the point of this thread; i guess to *** or riders you dont like.... I have nothing against productive reasonable discussion about doping but calling best rider in the world a crook cause claim of doping (without any proof) is to much for me.

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Good question what is the point of this thread; i guess to *** or riders you dont like.... I have nothing against productive reasonable discussion about doping but calling best rider in the world a crook cause claim of doping (without any proof) is to much for me.

There are clinic pages about many riders. If there were proof of doping, there would be no need to discuss or debate it. As I wrote earlier, you are welcome to give your opinion, but you're also free to leave.

 

[bah]

But with this issue by its very nature there's no proof...until there is. Just look at the history of doping in the sport. There were allegations against Armstrong before there was proof.

 

[topt]

There have been plenty of discussions we even had two phds arguing over the finer points of uphill power production and estimation, there are 420 pages though in the thread there is little one can add in terms of arguments at this point, only reaffirm conclusions reached when new evidence is provided. Which is pretty much whenever UAE race.

so whenever he wins we call him a crook; which year we put line in sand if they dont get him people admit here they are wrong ?

 

[topt]

But with this issue by its very nature there's no proof...until there is. Just look at the history of doping in the sport. There were allegations against Armstrong before there was proof.

Ok, but he kind of has to have a chance to show he is clean, right ? or just has to stop winning and posters here will be happy

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

so whenever he wins we call him a crook; which year we put line in sand if they dont get him people admit here they are wrong ?

There is a Pogacar thread where it's not allowed to even mention clinic stuff. What makes you think you're entitled to tell people how to behave in a specific clinic thread?

 

[topt]

There are clinic pages about many riders. If there were proof of doping, there would be no need to discuss or debate it. As I wrote earlier, you are welcome to give your opinion, but you're also free to leave.

so are you but somebody has to be here to tone down the X files accusations

 

[topt]

There is a Pogacar thread where it's not allowed to even mention clinic stuff. What makes you think you're entitled to tell people how to behave in a specific clinic thread?

cause I have a BIG problem calling riders crooks without any evidence

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

cause I have a BIG problem calling riders crooks without any evidence

I have a big problem with people who lack critical thinking skills and believe that a rider can be top dog every single stage on any terrain all season, displaying a bigger dominance than Gewiss in Flèche Wallonne 1994 and doing this under the guidance of the most corrupt duo in cycling.

Still I wouldn't cry about it in someone else's thread.

 

[ashhutch1997]

But with this issue by its very nature there's no proof...until there is. Just look at the history of doping in the sport. There were allegations against Armstrong before there was proof.

Mauro Gianetti is the team boss, thats enough for me to be skeptical, he should be nowhere near running a cycling team.

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Damn even reading all this made my eyes bleed.
I am an UCI junior judge. Thre is no way ANYBODY has a motor in TDF; eh....bad for my blood pressure

Your boss doesn't seem to be so convinced.

"We're in a technological arms race," Raudenski admitted to Cyclingnews in an interview after the backscatter x-ray device presentation.

"Components are getting lighter and smaller and so easier to conceal and harder to detect. We're up against the challenge of trying to stay out in front or at least not so far behind in the cat and mouse game of what is the new way that people could potentially try to cheat."

'We're in a technological arms race' - How the UCI's Nick Raudenski is fighting mechanical doping

Cyclingnews sees how a handheld backscatter x-ray device sees inside bikes and components at the Giro d'Italia

www.cyclingnews.com

 

[topt]

people like you

Your boss doesn't seem to be so convinced.

"We're in a technological arms race," Raudenski admitted to Cyclingnews in an interview after the backscatter x-ray device presentation.

"Components are getting lighter and smaller and so easier to conceal and harder to detect. We're up against the challenge of trying to stay out in front or at least not so far behind in the cat and mouse game of what is the new way that people could potentially try to cheat."

'We're in a technological arms race' - How the UCI's Nick Raudenski is fighting mechanical doping

Cyclingnews sees how a handheld backscatter x-ray device sees inside bikes and components at the Giro d'Italia

www.cyclingnews.com

could you show me the part he says riders are using motors ? what we are doing its called prevention so nobody would even try.
Again, every winning bike goes in to xray but posters here just dont want to hear that

 

[topt]

Mauro Gianetti is the team boss, thats enough for me to be skeptical, he should be nowhere near running a cycling team.

you can find a connection with epo dopers in every team; riders that were in EPO era are now old so they become team staff like was done through entire cycling history

 

[Blobs]

so whenever he wins we call him a crook; which year we put line in sand if they dont get him people admit here they are wrong ?

When do we admit we were wrong in thinking Indurain used EPO? It's been 30 years now.

 

[DONCA]

people like you

could you show me the part he says riders are using motors ? what we are doing its called prevention so nobody would even try.
Again, every winning bike goes in to xray but posters here just dont want to hear that

Can you send me reports of each winner's bike being scanned?

Can you send me reports that the UCI can be believed after protecting armstrong?

Can you send me reports that the UCI is stupid enough to score an own goal by convicting its biggest star of doping?

Again, only the UCI is "controlling" the bikes. There is no second instance responsible for control. For this reason, any doubt is justified.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how a lightweight like Pogacar can beat the 500w FTP guys even on flat tracks and who is it possible to peak every day in the year.

 

[topt]

When do we admit we were wrong in thinking Indurain used EPO? It's been 30 years now.

so he has no chance, he is guilty without evidence; God bless you all

 

[topt]

Can you send me reports of each winner's bike being scanned?

Can you send me reports that the UCI can be believed after protecting armstrong?

Can you send me reports that the UCI is stupid enough to score an own goal by convicting its biggest star of doping?

Again, only the UCI is "controlling" the bikes. There is no second instance responsible for control. For this reason, any doubt is justified.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how a lightweight like Pogacar can beat the 500w FTP guys even on flat tracks and who is it possible to peak every day in the year.

i trully dont know how to explain things to people that are not there to see it; what UCI ? do you know how many people would have to be part of conspiracy so they would look away....you think we are lying by doing bike Xrays ? i dont judge TDF but my boss does.
easy; he is the best rider ever

 

[peterfin]

people like you

could you show me the part he says riders are using motors ? what we are doing its called prevention so nobody would even try.
Again, every winning bike goes in to xray but posters here just dont want to hear that

We don't have the data showing that every winning bike goes in to an x-ray. We don't even have the info that the x-ray is moved to every stage finish and is used.

I assume there is a necessity to believe there are no motors used simply because it has a much bigger negative impact on the sport than the usual doping stuff. I get that. However, without evidence to show us that it definitely doesn't happen, it has equal value as that guy today on the Ventoux that passed by me and kept yelling that the Earth is flat.