Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[dr.eve]

Yeah, Pogacar won a big junior race, but even in the U23 ranks he got still mogged in every single uphill or reduced sprint, before the rocket fuel gifted him a good sprint.
About tourism, only white trash, degenerates and escorts travel to Dubai...

Yet this group of so called white trash and degenerates is quite large, large enough to make Dubai's tourism sector very relevant and large enough to have enough white trash and degenerates that do actually watch Le Tour. Let's not forget, most of us follow cycling year long but it's the Tour that matters, we ain't the sponsors main target. Your group of 'white trash and degenerates' probably is more likely a target.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

It also should be noted that Teddy is the only U23 rider in history who won the Tour twice.

While he was still only 22 during the 2021 TdF, he was no longer a U23 rider that year.

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

Yeah, Pogacar won a big junior race, but even in the U23 ranks he got still mogged in every single uphill or reduced sprint, before the rocket fuel gifted him a good sprint.
About tourism, only white trash, degenerates and escorts travel to Dubai...

He literally won the most prestigious U23 race, the Tour de l'Avenir and it's hard to make a good sprint when you're constantly racing against older, better-prepared riders.

He mixed with really good climbers from WT teams on tough mountain stages.

Tour of Slovenia 2017 Stage 3 results

Tour of Slovenia 2017 Stage 3 from Celje to Rogla was won by RafaÅ Majka before Giovanni Visconti and Jack Haig. RafaÅ Majka was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

Tour of Slovenia 2018 Stage 4 results

Tour of Slovenia 2018 Stage 4 from Ljubljana to Kamnik was won by Primož RogliÄ before Matej MohoriÄ and RafaÅ Majka. Primož RogliÄ was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

Give me another example besides Pogacar where an 18yo conti (non-dev team) rider was a factor against WT teams on a +3000m elevation stage w/ a 14km 7.5% climb?

Evenepoel beat everyone in 2017 and 2018 when he was riding for Forte U19 Cycling Team and Acrog - Balen BC Junior. Not exactly WT.

Yes, he won many races as a junior and lost a few (including ITT) to someone who recently retired at the age of 24 because he had no results as a pro. The significance of the junior results has already been outlined. But you just keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

Lefevere has already signed and groomed Remco in 2018 - https://www.soudal-quickstepteam.com/en/news/3538/remco-evenepoel-to-turn-pro-with-quick-step-floors
I guess it's easy to beat 17 year olds when you've got the whole Mapei behind you.

Most prestigious junior stage race? LOL. Course de la Paix wants to have a word with you.
Anyway, have you checked the opposition Pogacar beat that year? See whether you recognize many.
Regarding Pogacar: he beat his Slovenian compatriot Primozic by... 22 seconds.
Generational talent. LOL.

Enough to look at the list of recent winners of the Giro della Lunigiana and the Course de la Paix Juniors. It's pretty easy to decide which one is more prestigious and which one gives a better insight into the list of future GT contenders.

Either way. Here's a picture of Pogacar winning a stage at the Course de la Paix on an oldish Fondriest bike.

 

[Stablo]

These new Poggie apologist nicks, that occasionally arrive seem suspicious to me. I wouldn't be suprised they're paid actors to make Dopačar seem somehow beliavable with some total nonsense explanations. The first that comes to mind is the infamous mou. Well that's just my opinion anyway.
Nothing in motogačars rise to current domination with Gianetti&co is even in the same universe with natural. He has talent, but what we are witnessing is total bs. And like @Gianetti_Is_The_Goat mentioned, it's also happening with others in that money protected state dictatorship team.

 

[SHAD0W93]

So when Evenepoel dominates TTs or MVDP races does that mean they have a motor too? Did Vingegaard have a motor in 2022 and 2023?

 

[Stablo]

Like mentioned a dozens of times, it got a lot crazier after 23/24 winter. Also MVDP, Evenepoel, Vingegaard etc. have to focus on particulal events and parcours. They have ups and downs, they can't drop everyone everytime they want to on any parcours and never still get tired or fatigued. It's completely unnatural and the most blatant example cheating in cyclings history.
#dopačar #motogačar

 

[hrotha]

#dopačar #motogačar

Look I'm all for coming up with insulting nicknames but they can't be this lazy

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

The funniest thing is that it's only been two weeks since Pogacar was 4s/km slower than the clean Remco on 40km ITT, even with an e-bike. Moreover, a few days later, after traveling halfway around the world, the clean Remco also destroyed that weak Ganna guy.

These Arabs really need to step up their game; these motors are pretty weak.

 

[Stablo]

Look I'm all for coming up with insulting nicknames but they can't be this lazy

Can't take credit for them. Facts thought are never lame or lazy, they're indeed just facts.

 

[Stablo]

The funniest thing is that it's only been two weeks since Pogacar was 4s/km slower than the clean Remco on 40km ITT, even with an e-bike. Moreover, a few days later, after traveling halfway around the world, the clean Remco also destroyed that weak Ganna guy.

These Arabs really need to step up their game; these motors are pretty weak.

Yeah that makes all more ridicilous. He can be that much weaker in less than a week, then when the race that matters for pogster arrives, the super mega watts are there. It's like having a magic button when it really matters and it has been going on full *** mode for two years now. I also think the TT-bike setup has for reasons unknown the assistance. And his not using it all the time, most of the time it's just good old Mauro super juice. The examples of the UAE owned Colnago being rigged have been mentioned here before. And last weekend was also one them, getting the extra push and staying totally fresh after a monster solo and race, while obilirating everyone else.

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

Want to see a motorbike in action? Check out the WC RR. There was a guy who was literally dropped by almost the entire field on the climb. He put on an act, changed bikes, but unfortunately for him, it wasn't charged. Then he threw a tantrum for a good few minutes by the side of the road, and got the fully charged bike. Then he ITT-ed the entire race, dropping people one by one and finishing the race just a minute behind the winner, who rode non-stop throughout the race.