Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Berniece]

Not a single moment in the race did I see Pogacar from his saddle. Everyone else from the top 5 multiple times.

 

[kingjr]

Not a single moment in the race did I see Pogacar from his saddle. Everyone else from the top 5 multiple times.

What? Did you even bother watching?

 

[kingjr]

Not a single moment in the race did I see Pogacar from his saddle. Everyone else from the top 5 multiple times.

Just as an example: He was out of the saddle for 52 seconds, continuously, during his first attack, then sat down for around 15 seconds, and then stood up again for around 15 seconds.

This is like last year during the Giro when someone said he gained time while celebrating in the last kilometre when in fact he lost time.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Well I’m not watching Lombardia, that’s for sure

Don't lose hopes. There's a long, flat section in the finale and Teddy was clearly fading today in the last 1-2 km.

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Either way. Here's a picture of Pogacar winning a stage at the Course de la Paix on an oldish Fondriest bike.

His compatriot Primozic finished 4th in Course de la Paix 2016, Pogacar... 26th
I guess Primozic is the real generational Slovenian talent.
Edit: 3rd, not 4th and Primozic is a few months younger than Pogacar.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Even funnier: his compatriot Primozic finished 4th in Course de la Paix 2016
I guess he's the real generational Slovenian talent.

Primozic is a secret child of Primoz Roglic. No wonder he's good.

 

[Revelation]

Meh, the worst thing cycling did for itself (leaving morality/ethics and things like that aside) was try to become clean, and becoming the sport most synonymous with doping in the process. That always breaks the integrity of the sport in the minds of people forever, so all future results and achievements will have a major cloud hanging over them.

Look at something on the opposite end of the scale: tennis has always aggressively insisted doping doesn't exist (except for maybe some random #600 in the world) and protected it's top players, so when the 2 most doped players of all time, Nadal and Djokovic, arrived and destroyed the record books, it was able to keep the show going for almost 2 decades without much issue. Looking at Nadal (clear #1 doper and one of the most doped humans in history IMO), I'd argue he had 10+ years, where his relative athletic advantage over the field was greater than what Pogacar's relative advantage has been the last 2 years. He then went on to win 14 French Opens in 18 years (previous open era record was 6) and as a result the French installed a plaque on the tournament's center court. Not sure Pogacar would get the same reception if he somehow won 14 TdFs.

And now you have Alcaraz doing around Djokovic' level doping, with 6 slams at age 22, and it's also the greatest thing ever. (Willful) ignorance if always bliss, when it comes to running a professional sport.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Meh, the worst thing cycling did for itself (leaving morality/ethics and things like that aside) was try to become clean, and becoming the sport most synonymous with doping in the process. That always breaks the integrity of the sport in the minds of people forever, so all future results and achievements will have a major cloud hanging over them.

Look at something on the opposite end of the scale: tennis has always aggressively insisted doping doesn't exist (except for maybe some random #600 in the world) and protected it's top players, so when the 2 most doped players of all time, Nadal and Djokovic, arrived and destroyed the record books, it was able to keep the show going for almost 2 decades without much issue. Looking at Nadal (clear #1 doper and one of the most doped humans in history IMO), I'd argue he had 10+ years, where his relative athletic advantage over the field was greater than what Pogacar's relative advantage has been the last 2 years. He then went on to win 14 French Opens in 18 years (previous open era record was 6) and as a result the French installed a plaque on the tournament's center court. Not sure Pogacar would get the same reception if he somehow won 14 TdFs.

And now you have Alcaraz doing around Djokovic' level doping, with 6 slams at age 22, and it's also the greatest thing ever. (Willful) ignorance if always bliss, when it comes to running a professional sport.

Cycling has been quickly recovering from doping for some time. There are way less questions and suspicions than 20, 10 or even 5 years ago. Pogi had to answer a lot of questions during his long leadership at the Tour'2021 but now he's simply the GOAT so no questions are needed.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Cycling has been quickly recovering from doping for some time. There are way less questions and suspicions than 20, 10 or even 5 years ago. Pogi had to answer a lot of questions during his long leadership at the Tour'2021 but now he's simply the GOAT so no questions are needed.

Bro his team manager is Mauro Gianetti, but yeah he's 100% squeaky clean.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Bro his team manager is Mauro Gianetti, but yeah he's 100% squeaky clean.

Not sure if you understood what I meant. I never implied it.